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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:20 PM ET
Just an observation.

When it was the Flyers turn to pick 8th, five centers were already taken before they selected Coots.

- 77rams


Thank God for mono.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:22 PM ET
Grossmann has really been a rock, after being a bit ineffective in the first couple games. He's turned into a great pick up by Holmgren. Generally smart positional play and his physical game has been great.
- Jsaquella

love watching him play

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 12:22 PM ET
Thank God for mono.
- MBFlyerfan

Hope I don't get that poop!
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:22 PM ET
I think he makes it, and could end up as the third center, especially if they trade a winger for a defenseman.

I wouldn't be amazed if they ended up with Giroux, Couturier as the top two centers and Schenn on a wing.

- Jsaquella

I guess Schenn is the easiest to see on a wing. But I think his natural spot is center.

Giroux really seems to have gotten better in the last few weeks on faceoffs.
I don't know if he is just bearing down more or what, but maybe he could help Schenn and Couts. If they could get close to 50% it would help a lot.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:23 PM ET
Hope I don't get that poop!
- JoeRussomanno


You aren't a projected top pick anyway, egomaniac.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:24 PM ET
Yes and no, its relatively easy to get right off when you win the draw, but very difficult when you lose, and also hard in the 2nd period when you have to make the long change.

No question G is going to get a ton of ice time, but if you have another good option on faceoffs, maybe he only needs to play 20-22 minutes rather than 24-26. It doesn't sound like much, but a 2 to 4 minutes less a game, could be huge come playoff time.

- BiggE


That was really an abnormality. G averages 21.30 minutes a night.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:25 PM ET
I guess Schenn is the easiest to see on a wing. But I think his natural spot is center.

Giroux really seems to have gotten better in the last few weeks on faceoffs.
I don't know if he is just bearing down more or what, but maybe he could help Schenn and Couts. If they could get close to 50% it would help a lot.

- Marc D


I agree. My preference is Schenn at second line center
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:25 PM ET
Hope I don't get that poop!
- JoeRussomanno

the large majority of adults are immune to it from previous exposures
most cases are in 15-17 yo's
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 24 @ 12:26 PM ET
That was really an abnormality. G averages 21.30 minutes a night.
- 77rams


Good point, but I would guess if you eliminate the 4 or 5 games that were blowouts, his average would be closer to 23 and I would still like to see that come down a minute or 2.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Feb 24 @ 12:30 PM ET
I think he makes it, and could end up as the third center, especially if they trade a winger for a defenseman.

I wouldn't be amazed if they ended up with Giroux, Couturier as the top two centers and Schenn on a wing.

- Jsaquella

I hope they leave Schenn at center... He is so much more effective there (look at his points as of late)
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Feb 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
the large majority of adults are immune to it from previous exposures
most cases are in 15-17 yo's

- Marc D


But just to be safe don't kiss any monkeys
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:33 PM ET
Good point, but I would guess if you eliminate the 4 or 5 games that were blowouts, his average would be closer to 23 and I would still like to see that come down a minute or 2.
- BiggE


But to add some steam to your concern, G is second among forwards in the league when it come to average total time on the ice, behind only Kovalchuk's 25:46.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:36 PM ET
But to add some steam to your concern, G is second among forwards in the league when it come to average total time on the ice, behind only Kovalchuk's 25:46.
- 77rams

I think G is #1 in the league in total face offs taken. Some of that is the number of games played.

He is taking close to 44% of all the face offs for the team.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:39 PM ET
I guess Schenn is the easiest to see on a wing. But I think his natural spot is center.

Giroux really seems to have gotten better in the last few weeks on faceoffs.
I don't know if he is just bearing down more or what, but maybe he could help Schenn and Couts. If they could get close to 50% it would help a lot.

- Marc D


The real issue is having Briere play win as has been discussed many times. Even though he's not super on draws, he needs to play there.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:42 PM ET
I think G is #1 in the league in total face offs taken. Some of that is the number of games played.

He is taking close to 44% of all the face offs for the team.

- Marc D


I don't feel as bad for G as I do for Timo. He's averaged 21:23 minutes per night. I don't know how the guy can get out of bed in the morning.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:43 PM ET
The real issue is having Briere play win as has been discussed many times. Even though he's not super on draws, he needs to play there.
- Hextall271

Do you think they will use the buy out on Briere?

I have such mixed emotions on this.

On one hand I love Briere, his playoff scoring, and the clutch goals.
But financially and because of the mix of players it makes sense.

I guess I would be sad over all if he was bought out.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 12:46 PM ET
I don't feel as bad for G as I do for Timo. He's averaged 21:23 minutes per night. I don't know how the guy can get out of bed in the morning.
- 77rams

He is a warrior.
Also stays in great shape.

But I'm sure the plan going in was to limit some of his tough minutes this year.
Then Mez got hurt, and they have been under 500 and are scrambling for every point.

Plus the D looks like a mess when he is out.
Lavi doesn't really have a choice right now.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 12:56 PM ET
If you like that, you'll love Larry Brooks' column from today

http://www.nypost.com/p/s...ws_MNsfx6iWGOJVqBj4SYWbdN

Goes over the possibility of buying out Brad Richards and complains that rules were put in place to specifically hurt the Rangers.

Under different circumstances, if the cap were not decreasing, if there were no cap-recapture, if they hadn’t been forced to buy out Wade Redden because of a retroactive clause meant to punish the Rangers

Larry sounds like Captain Queeg from The Caine Mutiny

- Jsaquella

my lord, a freakin' persecution complex
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:56 PM ET
Do you guys see Laughton making the team next season?
If so he will likely be the 4th line center.

- Marc D


Next year I see it as a real possibility of happening.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 24 @ 12:57 PM ET
Do you think they will use the buy out on Briere?

I have such mixed emotions on this.

On one hand I love Briere, his playoff scoring, and the clutch goals.
But financially and because of the mix of players it makes sense.

I guess I would be sad over all if he was bought out.

- Marc D


No, I can't see it really. When he's employed correctly, he's money in the bank and I don't think they can pare down the O depth any further really.. He's also a good leader on the team. It's kind of like the debate over Bryz.. in theory, it makes a sense to buy him out, but considering all aspects, you can't end up with Leighton and Boucher as your two tenders..
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 1:04 PM ET
No, I can't see it really. When he's employed correctly, he's money in the bank and I don't think they can pare down the O depth any further really.. He's also a good leader on the team. It's kind of like the debate over Bryz.. in theory, it makes a sense to buy him out, but considering all aspects, you can't end up with Leighton and Boucher as your two tenders..
- Hextall271

I think with G, Couts, Schenn, and maybe Laughton as the centers the Flyers are in good shape at center. Briere at wing, or even Schenn at wing is not optimal.

In goal it's Bryz and that's it.

So I think there is a better argument for the buyout in Danny's case.
Getting rid of Bryz unless they bring in another goalie makes no sense.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:04 PM ET
He is a warrior.
Also stays in great shape.

But I'm sure the plan going in was to limit some of his tough minutes this year.
Then Mez got hurt, and they have been under 500 and are scrambling for every point.

Plus the D looks like a mess when he is out.
Lavi doesn't really have a choice right now.

- Marc D

700k f/o, PK guys could be out there
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:05 PM ET
love watching him play
- Crimsoninja


Grossmann was worth the pick in that trade. The guy is a monster and steady all season long.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 1:07 PM ET
the large majority of adults are immune to it from previous exposures
most cases are in 15-17 yo's

- Marc D

Sometimes I can't tell if I really am one...
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:08 PM ET
so would anybody trade the schenn bros for bogo and kane? would WPG need more coming back?
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