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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:10 PM ET
I think with G, Couts, Schenn, and maybe Laughton as the centers the Flyers are in good shape at center. Briere at wing, or even Schenn at wing is not optimal.

In goal it's Bryz and that's it.

So I think there is a better argument for the buyout in Danny's case.
Getting rid of Bryz unless they bring in another goalie makes no sense.

- Marc D

we have 2 yrs to use the buyouts, so we have time
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:11 PM ET
Grossmann was worth the pick in that trade. The guy is a monster and steady all season long.
- stveshdy

cost a 2nd and a 3rd...worth it for sure
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 1:13 PM ET
we have 2 yrs to use the buyouts, so we have time
- isaiah520

Are you thinking they try to get a different #1 goalie and then buy out Bryz?

Seems pretty far fetched but so did trading #17 and #18.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:13 PM ET
so would anybody trade the schenn bros for bogo and kane? would WPG need more coming back?
- isaiah520


Personally I would rather keep the Schenn's than make that trade.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:17 PM ET
we have 2 yrs to use the buyouts, so we have time
- isaiah520


If the Flyers are interested in Perry (depending if Anaheim doesn't re-sign him) than I would take the risk and buyout Briere.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:19 PM ET
I hope they leave Schenn at center... He is so much more effective there (look at his points as of late)
- Richieattack18


He's been playing wing the last few games.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:20 PM ET
I think schenn is going to be a real powerhouse. Simmonds has to be a top 15 forward in the league already. However anyone felt about Richards they have to agree good trade all around prolly for both sides.
- JoeRussomanno


I think that's a little overzealous calling Simmonds a top 15 forward in the League.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:21 PM ET
He's been playing wing the last few games.
- Jsaquella


He's also played some center at times.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:23 PM ET
Are you thinking they try to get a different #1 goalie and then buy out Bryz?

Seems pretty far fetched but so did trading #17 and #18.

- Marc D

bryz has been more consistent this yr of course, but he is not out of the woods ( ) as far as a buyout is concerned. i don't see that happening this off season though, unless he implodes. i def think briere is a possibility. it would seem to make more sense to keep schenn at center and grab a $3-4MM scoring winger going forward.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:24 PM ET
so would anybody trade the schenn bros for bogo and kane? would WPG need more coming back?
- isaiah520


I think Winnipeg would need more, and I'm not sure I'd be good with that. As a player, Kane is dynamic and fantastic. But he's got real maturity issues.

The flip side is, Bogosian has more upside than Luke Schenn. I just wouldn't be overjoyed at adding a lot to that package. I still think they can find a defenseman without dealing Schenn or Couturier.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:25 PM ET
He's also played some center at times.
- ob18


He has, but his production has been coming from both spots.

I prefer him at center, but he could end up playing wing.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 1:28 PM ET
I think Winnipeg would need more, and I'm not sure I'd be good with that. As a player, Kane is dynamic and fantastic. But he's got real maturity issues.

The flip side is, Bogosian has more upside than Luke Schenn. I just wouldn't be overjoyed at adding a lot to that package. I still think they can find a defenseman without dealing Schenn or Couturier.

- Jsaquella

well after SJ buys out Boyle the Flyers could pick him up on the cheap...

haha... I'm still laughing at Brooks
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:30 PM ET
well after SJ buys out Boyle the Flyers could pick him up on the cheap...

haha... I'm still laughing at Brooks

- Marc D


It's as bad as a blog here by Richard Cloutier.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:32 PM ET
well after SJ buys out Boyle the Flyers could pick him up on the cheap...

haha... I'm still laughing at Brooks

- Marc D


What do you think the cost would be to land Ryan Whitney in a trade? The Oilers have no intention of bringing him back. He has injury issues and really hasn't been worth the price. He even has been a healthy scratch at times this year. I wouldn't go crazy but he's an interesting name to possible add at the deadline.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:32 PM ET
I think Winnipeg would need more, and I'm not sure I'd be good with that. As a player, Kane is dynamic and fantastic. But he's got real maturity issues.

The flip side is, Bogosian has more upside than Luke Schenn. I just wouldn't be overjoyed at adding a lot to that package. I still think they can find a defenseman without dealing Schenn or Couturier.

- Jsaquella

i think both WPG plyrs have higher upsides, but it's closer than many might think. i'd add a 2nd or a guy like manning or noebels.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 1:33 PM ET
I think that's a little overzealous calling Simmonds a top 15 forward in the League.
- MJL

How about, just power forward?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:33 PM ET
It's as bad as a blog here by Richard Cloutier.
- Jsaquella

the crap about taylor hall...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:34 PM ET
What do you think the cost would be to land Ryan Whitney in a trade? The Oilers have no intention of bringing him back. He has injury issues and really hasn't been worth the price. He even has been a healthy scratch at times this year. I wouldn't go crazy but he's an interesting name to possible add at the deadline.
- stveshdy


Nothing much. I think that there's little point in adding him because his cap hit pushes them further into the LTIR exemption and he's not much of an improvement on what's on hand at this point of his career. When he has played, it hasn't been pretty.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:34 PM ET
I think with G, Couts, Schenn, and maybe Laughton as the centers the Flyers are in good shape at center. Briere at wing, or even Schenn at wing is not optimal.

In goal it's Bryz and that's it.

So I think there is a better argument for the buyout in Danny's case.
Getting rid of Bryz unless they bring in another goalie makes no sense.

- Marc D


I completely see the argument on Danny, but I think the veteran leadership, and swagger intangibles he brings make it hard to axe him. Although the kids have last year's playoff experience behind them, I don't see them being ready just yet to take over. I see it as similar to 06/07 with Carter and Richie..
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:35 PM ET
What do you think the cost would be to land Ryan Whitney in a trade? The Oilers have no intention of bringing him back. He has injury issues and really hasn't been worth the price. He even has been a healthy scratch at times this year. I wouldn't go crazy but he's an interesting name to possible add at the deadline.
- stveshdy

he's like a shot fighter it seems. used to have elite offensive potential, but injuries and time spent in EDM have eroded him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:35 PM ET
i think both WPG plyrs have higher upsides, but it's closer than many might think. i'd add a 2nd or a guy like manning or noebels.
- isaiah520


I think kane and B. Schenn is a coin flip. Bogo has a higher ceiling than Luke, though, because he's got the offensive ability. It's not as wide a gap as some would have people believe, but it exists.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:36 PM ET
the crap about taylor hall...
- isaiah520


Didn't even glace at it.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Feb 24 @ 1:37 PM ET
I completely see the argument on Danny, but I think the veteran leadership, and swagger intangibles he brings make it hard to axe him. Although the kids have last year's playoff experience behind them, I don't see them being ready just yet to take over. I see it as similar to 06/07 with Carter and Richie..
- Hextall271

How many leaders does a team need? I'd rather have the money spent in the up and coming rather than those in decline. If there was more than one dimension to his game fine, but it won't be the end of the world to lose him.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:38 PM ET
I think kane and B. Schenn is a coin flip. Bogo has a higher ceiling than Luke, though, because he's got the offensive ability. It's not as wide a gap as some would have people believe, but it exists.
- Jsaquella

kane seems like a threat every time he's out there...sometimes to his own team
if he puts it together...perennial all star.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:39 PM ET
I completely see the argument on Danny, but I think the veteran leadership, and swagger intangibles he brings make it hard to axe him. Although the kids have last year's playoff experience behind them, I don't see them being ready just yet to take over. I see it as similar to 06/07 with Carter and Richie..
- Hextall271


If they retain Briere, they have $2.25mm in cap room and need to fill 3 forward, 1 defense and 1 goalie slots.
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