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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:39 PM ET
kane seems like a threat every time he's out there...sometimes to his own team
if he puts it together...perennial all star.

- isaiah520


Agreed. I think Bryaden Schenn can be a physical, 30 goal guy who is a solid two way player.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:39 PM ET
How many leaders does a team need? I'd rather have the money spent in the up and coming rather than those in decline. If there was more than one dimension to his game fine, but it won't be the end of the world to lose him.
- JoeRussomanno

interesting that the 2 most likely buyout candidates are at the opposite ends of the spectrum on your sh1t list
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:40 PM ET
Nothing much. I think that there's little point in adding him because his cap hit pushes them further into the LTIR exemption and he's not much of an improvement on what's on hand at this point of his career. When he has played, it hasn't been pretty.
- Jsaquella


That sounds about right. Kind of what I expected.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:41 PM ET
Agreed. I think Bryaden Schenn can be a physical, 30 goal guy who is a solid two way player.
- Jsaquella

schenn could be a gilmour-type, no doubt
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:41 PM ET
He has, but his production has been coming from both spots.

I prefer him at center, but he could end up playing wing.

- Jsaquella


If they buyout Briere, I could see him sliding into the center position.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:45 PM ET
If they buyout Briere, I could see him sliding into the center position.
- ob18


Just looking at contracts and cap hits doesn't it make sense to buyout Briere and Bryzgalov?

The problem becomes who do they replace them with. However, that frees up a ton of cap space in the meantime to add pieces.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:45 PM ET
How many leaders does a team need? I'd rather have the money spent in the up and coming rather than those in decline. If there was more than one dimension to his game fine, but it won't be the end of the world to lose him.
- JoeRussomanno


Eventually, he is gone but very soon you lose Timonen for sure and say we buy out Briere.. That's a lot of experience going out the door. Maybe Briere goes and you replace him with Laughton but this team as currently constructed has struggled to score (with the exception of some blowouts), and we want to lose more scoring? Don't know if it adds up. That said tough decisions have to be made. I'd also say that as much as I like Mesz, if he can't stay healthy, can they eat his 4mil a year? Is Coburn worth what he makes?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:45 PM ET
If they buyout Briere, I could see him sliding into the center position.
- ob18


After a Briere buyout, there'd be an opening, but they may also trade a winger for defense help.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:45 PM ET
Just looking at contracts and cap hits doesn't it make sense to buyout Briere and Bryzgalov?

The problem becomes who do they replace them with. However, that frees up a ton of cap space in the meantime to add pieces.

- stveshdy


Now take a look at the available goalies if you buyout Bryzgalov then ask that again.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:47 PM ET
How about, just power forward?
- JoeRussomanno


Simmonds is having a great year. And he's a very good player. If you project his current totals over an 82 game Season. You're looking at 33 goals and 38 assists for 71 points. Pretty damn good. When you look at Giroux, Hartnell, Voracek, Schenn, Read, and Simmonds. This team has plenty of offense. What it's lacking is the things that don't show up on the scoresheet. Team defense, puck management, and in some parts some system related issues, are keeping this team from being a top team right now. Some if it is just players getting better in a number of areas due to issues such as youth. And some of it is the Coaching and the philosophies that the Flyers play under. And some of it are some holes in the lineup, such as a puck mover on the back end.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:48 PM ET
If they retain Briere, they have $2.25mm in cap room and need to fill 3 forward, 1 defense and 1 goalie slots.
- Jsaquella


Yeah, there are difficult decisions on the horizon. Do you think the team is ready to be turned over to Giroux and Cooter etc for the leadership?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:50 PM ET
Just looking at contracts and cap hits doesn't it make sense to buyout Briere and Bryzgalov?

The problem becomes who do they replace them with. However, that frees up a ton of cap space in the meantime to add pieces.

- stveshdy


If you look at cap hits only, it makes sense to cut loose Briere and Bryz for sure.. It also prob made no sense to re sign Timo.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:50 PM ET
Now take a look at the available goalies if you buyout Bryzgalov then ask that again.
- ob18


I'm more concerned about the years left on Bryz deal. I'm not saying they should buy him out but the idea has to be thought about.

Only would be interested in Jimmy Howard or Mike Smith. Other option is to trade for another one.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:50 PM ET
Eventually, he is gone but very soon you lose Timonen for sure and say we buy out Briere.. That's a lot of experience going out the door. Maybe Briere goes and you replace him with Laughton but this team as currently constructed has struggled to score (with the exception of some blowouts), and we want to lose more scoring? Don't know if it adds up. That said tough decisions have to be made. I'd also say that as much as I like Mesz, if he can't stay healthy, can they eat his 4mil a year? Is Coburn worth what he makes?
- Hextall271


Well, buying out Briere clears a lot of cap room to add pieces.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:50 PM ET
I'm more concerned about the years left on Bryz deal. I'm not saying they should buy him out but the idea has to be thought about.

Only would be interested in Jimmy Howard or Mike Smith. Other option is to trade for another one.

- stveshdy


They don't have to buy him out this summer, they can wait till the following year which if they do it at all is what I'd prefer if at all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:50 PM ET
Just looking at contracts and cap hits doesn't it make sense to buyout Briere and Bryzgalov?

The problem becomes who do they replace them with. However, that frees up a ton of cap space in the meantime to add pieces.

- stveshdy


I don't see how it makes sense from a contract standpoint to buyout Bryzgalov.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:51 PM ET
Soo Greyhounds’ Nick Cousins suspended for check from behind, which could cost him OHL scoring title

http://ca.sports.yahoo.co...hind-could-184118734.html
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:52 PM ET
I'm more concerned about the years left on Bryz deal. I'm not saying they should buy him out but the idea has to be thought about.

Only would be interested in Jimmy Howard or Mike Smith. Other option is to trade for another one.

- stveshdy


Howard or Smith may well cost you that same as Bryz. Smith has a shady injury history, and IMO, Bryz is better than Howard.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:53 PM ET
I don't see how it makes sense from a contract standpoint to buyout Bryzgalov.
- MJL



Personally, I am not a fan of signing a player to a contract over 5 years.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 24 @ 1:53 PM ET
Watched the Calgary and Minny game last night.

I am not really a huge fan of his for the cost, but J-Bow looked damn good last night.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Feb 24 @ 1:54 PM ET
Soo Greyhounds’ Nick Cousins suspended for check from behind, which could cost him OHL scoring title

http://ca.sports.yahoo.co...hind-could-184118734.html

- ob18


Great, Rinaldo, jr
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:54 PM ET
Personally, I am not a fan of signing a player to a contract over 5 years.
- stveshdy


Okay, but does your personal opinion or my personal opinion factor in to whether it makes sense to buyout Bryzgalov?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:54 PM ET
Well, buying out Briere clears a lot of cap room to add pieces.
- Jsaquella


Homer may be forced to do it as you say. Just don't think we will be a better team in the short term if he goes.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 24 @ 1:54 PM ET
Howard or Smith may well cost you that same as Bryz. Smith has a shady injury history, and IMO, Bryz is better than Howard.
- Jsaquella


Don't know what the cost would be. I would think the contract length would be shorter also.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 24 @ 1:56 PM ET
Great, Rinaldo, jr
- Jsaquella


We'll see, I think he'll probably move to wing when he's done in juniors but Cousins will not fight, he will push the envelope but not fight.
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