Backstrom and Khabibulin are free agents after this year, Kiprusoff only has one year left on his deal.

Luongo will probably be bought out because no one wants to trade for him and be on the hook until 2022.
- Feanor

See my post about lack of reading comprehesion... People just want to argue and don't care to read.

Are you suggesting the Flyers trade Bryzgalov to the Blackhawks?
- PLindbergh31

I'm suggesting trading for the Blackhawks and keeping Bryzgalov.

That only matters if you need to trade him.
- MJL

Right, because you can see Bryz playing for the Flyers the next 8 years.

For young forwards and dmen, not over 30 goalies...
- phillydentist

When an over-30 (31 to be precise) hits the free agent market and has numbers like Bryz (including a 2nd place Vezina finish and 5th place MVP finish in 09-10) he's going to get that type of deal especially when the rest of the available UFA goalies aren't nearly as accomplished.

EDIT: Also 13 years each for a couple of 28 year olds (Parise and Suter).

And in the meantime you can use cap space to get another needed piece. If bernier doesn't work you can move on. No big contract with years to pay for like with bryz.
- SMS4016

What needed piece can be had for just cap space?

Corey Perry would be great, but is he really a need? Not IMO.

The cap is going down, and the max contract length for free agents is only seven years now. Bryz was signed to a foolishly long contract under the old rules, just like Luongo.
- Feanor

It's going down for one Season under an artificial number. It will go right back up in the following Seasons.

Backstrom and Khabibulin are free agents after this year, Kiprusoff only has one year left on his deal.

Luongo will probably be bought out because no one wants to trade for him and be on the hook until 2022.
- Feanor

I'm not looking it up as I usually don't ask other posters to do my research for me. But my point was this, that he's not the first mid 30's goalie to have a high cap hit with several years remaining and have success.

I'm suggesting trading for the Blackhawks and keeping Bryzgalov.
- MJL

So, trade for the Blackhawks skaters, get Tippett behind the bench, and we're good?

It's the contract length that bothers me. It makes him untradeable.
- phillydentist

An NTC/NMC makes a player untradeable.

Absent that, any player with any contract is tradeable.

Right, because you can see Bryz playing for the Flyers the next 8 years.
- phillydentist

Why not? It's a possible variable that none of the premises you offered have considered.

Right, because you can see Bryz playing for the Flyers the next 8 years.
- phillydentist

can you present us with some facts to support the fact he cannot? THere have been several goalies to play at a high level into their late 30's. WHy is it so hard to think Bryzgalov cannot?

Why not? It's a possible variable that none of the premises you offered have considered.
- MJL

beat me to it

Are you suggesting the Flyers trade Bryzgalov to the Blackhawks?
- PLindbergh31

I'm suggesting trading for the Blackhawks and keeping Bryzgalov.
- MJL

!!!

Hot air balloons rule!
- PLindbergh31

Wow...didn't even give it a day did you? Seriously messed up

When an over-30 (31 to be precise) hits the free agent market and has numbers like Bryz (including a 2nd place Vezina finish and 5th place MVP finish in 09-10) he's going to get that type of deal especially when the rest of the available UFA goalies aren't nearly as accomplished.
- NickTheKid87

I'd love to know who the Flyers were bidding against on Bryz.

I'm not looking it up as I usually don't ask other posters to do my research for me. But my point was this, that he's not the first mid 30's goalie to have a high cap hit with several years remaining and have success.
- JoeRussomanno

If you're throwing up stuff off the top of your head as facts, aren't you forcing others to do your research for you?

Right, because you can see Bryz playing for the Flyers the next 8 years.
- phillydentist

Why not? He has 5 years left until his yearly salary drops to $2.25m and then to $1.25m. That's not untradeable so if he can play well for 4-5 more seasons than there's no issue.

I'd love to know who the Flyers were bidding against on Bryz.
- Feanor

Holmgren vs Holmgren. And both lost.

The market doesn't bear 9 yr deals for goalies. Holmgren outbid himself. We all know it. Don't give me Rick Dipietro who was much younger and signed under a different cap era.
- phillydentist

No, it doesn't. But after 2014, Bryz won't have 9 years left. He will have six.

I'm not defending the contract, I dislike the contract.

But after 2014, it's got six years remaining. If they buy him out, the following goalies are scheduled to be UFA that summer: Lundqvist, Miller, Kiprusoff, Hiller, Halak, Brodeur, Dubnyk and Crawford.

Which one of them takes less than 5 or 6 years at or higher than Bryz's cap hit?

Brodeur will likely retire, Kipper will be in his later 30's, so we can set them aside. I'd be amazed if NY doesn't re-sign Lundqvist, so it's probably Miller, Hiller, Halak, Dubnyk and Crawford.

What needed piece can be had for just cap space?

Corey Perry would be great, but is he really a need? Not IMO.
- Jsaquella

Agreed. Scoring, or lack thereof, is not the issue with this team. Add a healthy Matt Read to the lineup and there are two legitimate scoring lines and 3rd/4th liners that can chip in too (once Couts and Talbot get it together). They need good skating, puck moving defensemen. A number one dman would be great but they are so hard to come by these days!

If you're throwing up stuff off the top of your head as facts, aren't you forcing others to do your research for you?
- phillydentist

Not when I was asked a specific question about specific terms of contracts. If I want to make a point under certain criteria I usually present them myself and make my point without trying to brow beat the other poster.

No, it doesn't. But after 2014, Bryz won't have 9 years left. He will have six.

I'm not defending the contract, I dislike the contract.

But after 2014, it's got six years remaining. If they buy him out, the following goalies are scheduled to be UFA that summer: Lundqvist, Miller, Kiprusoff, Hiller, Halak, Brodeur, Dubnyk and Crawford.

Which one of them takes less than 5 or 6 years at or higher than Bryz's cap hit?

Brodeur will likely retire, Kipper will be in his later 30's, so we can set them aside. I'd be amazed if NY doesn't re-sign Lundqvist, so it's probably Miller, Hiller, Halak, Dubnyk and Crawford.
- Jsaquella

And Miller & Hiller will be in there mid-30s, the jury's still out on Dubnyk and Crawford and if St. Louis doesn't re-sign Halak he's going to get a massive deal.

No, it doesn't. But after 2014, Bryz won't have 9 years left. He will have six.

I'm not defending the contract, I dislike the contract.

But after 2014, it's got six years remaining. If they buy him out, the following goalies are scheduled to be UFA that summer: Lundqvist, Miller, Kiprusoff, Hiller, Halak, Brodeur, Dubnyk and Crawford.

Which one of them takes less than 5 or 6 years at or higher than Bryz's cap hit?

Brodeur will likely retire, Kipper will be in his later 30's, so we can set them aside. I'd be amazed if NY doesn't re-sign Lundqvist, so it's probably Miller, Hiller, Halak, Dubnyk and Crawford.
- Jsaquella

You might not even get a chance to offer them a deal either.

Holmgren vs Holmgren. And both lost.
- phillydentist

Sounds like a monster movie.