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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 6:07 PM ET
Avs should take the picks. They ain't making the dance and neither is Calgary. Take the picks and have two early 1st rounders in what is supposed to be a deep draft. Not to mention the additional picks.
- Lexington Flyer

Agreed. Great return for O'Reilly, who is showing he's probably going to be a headcase throughout his career anyway.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 28 @ 6:07 PM ET
Leave it to a team like the Flames that have been in need of a rebuild for years to give an offer sheet.
- ob18

Well, I mean, why would they need those draft picks if they intend to rebuild?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 28 @ 6:08 PM ET
It amazes me that team still has fans. I would have went nuts and walked away years ago.
- hereticpride

They just won a Stanley Cup 25 or so years ago.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 6:08 PM ET
They could rebuild around him especially with Iginla most likely on his way out. They will get some of those picks back if they decide to trade him at the deadline.
- stveshdy

With Feaster you know they wont tho.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:08 PM ET
Well, I mean, why would they need those draft picks if they intend to rebuild?
- BulliesPhan87


They could trade Iginla, Jay-Bo, and Kippy to get back some picks.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:10 PM ET
With Feaster you know they wont tho.
- hereticpride


If they get O'Reilly I don't see why they wouldn't at the deadline. They need to go into a different direction b/c what they are doing isn't working.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 28 @ 6:13 PM ET
They could trade Iginla, Jay-Bo, and Kippy to get back some picks.
- stveshdy

They should be planning to do so either way. I don't think O'Reilly is a bad piece if you're looking to rebuild (based on general consensus, I really haven't seen much of him at all). I just think that's a BIG salary to hand to a kid who broke 50 points once, is all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 6:14 PM ET
This woud be a no brainer for the Avs if he was going the way of Cheechoo. However, they know O'Reilly is going to be a stud. They have played without him all season so it might be worth the risk to let him go.

Calgary has no choice. They need a number #1 and a two way stud like him.

- stveshdy


I don't know that O'Reilly is ever going to be a stud and a #1 Center. I would lean towards not.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 6:15 PM ET
If they get O'Reilly I don't see why they wouldn't at the deadline. They need to go into a different direction b/c what they are doing isn't working.
- stveshdy

People have been saying that for 5 years. I'm not expecting this to change that.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:16 PM ET
They should be planning to do so either way. I don't think O'Reilly is a bad piece if you're looking to rebuild (based on general consensus, I really haven't seen much of him at all). I just think that's a BIG salary to hand to a kid who broke 50 points once, is all.
- BulliesPhan87


22 years old. Started in the league at 18. Thats pretty hard to do if your not talented IMO.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 6:16 PM ET
It amazes me that team still has fans. I would have went nuts and walked away years ago.
- hereticpride


Right now they'd pick 7th, O'Reilly isn't bad but I'd rather have that pick.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:16 PM ET
I don't know that O'Reilly is ever going to be a stud and a #1 Center. I would lean towards not.
- MJL


Based on what?

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:17 PM ET
People have been saying that for 5 years. I'm not expecting this to change that.
- hereticpride


At some point he will be forced to make the moves or he will be sitting on the couch with the rest of us.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 6:19 PM ET
Based on what?
- stveshdy


Based on what I think of the player, and what I read about him.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 6:21 PM ET
At some point he will be forced to make the moves or he will be sitting on the couch with the rest of us.
- stveshdy

Probably sooner than later. If he was planning on rebuilding he wouldn't have just tossed away a top 5 pick to get a player for two years, who by all signs is going to be quite tough to re-sign to a good deal.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:21 PM ET
Based on what I think of the player, and what I read about him.
- MJL


So you don't value him as a number #1 center?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 6:22 PM ET
Right now they'd pick 7th, O'Reilly isn't bad but I'd rather have that pick.
- ob18

Totally agree. Two high 1sts give the Avs tons of options.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 6:23 PM ET
Totally agree. Two high 1sts give the Avs tons of options.
- hereticpride


Yup, even with O'Reilly they need so much more and if Colorado let him go now Calgary wouldn't pick till round 4
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:23 PM ET
Probably sooner than later. If he was planning on rebuilding he wouldn't have just tossed away a top 5 pick to get a player for two years, who by all signs is going to be quite tough to re-sign to a good deal.
- hereticpride


If the Flames can indeed pry O'Reilly out of Calgary, this will be a big win for the club as it currently stands. It's a massive boost to their core. They're one of the league's thinnest teams at centre. O'Reilly immediately becomes their number one guy, and gives Jarome Iginla a bona fide running mate.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 6:24 PM ET
Totally agree. Two high 1sts give the Avs tons of options.
- hereticpride


Well depends on what mocks you go by, some have the Flames currently 4th others 7th.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 28 @ 6:25 PM ET
22 years old. Started in the league at 18. Thats pretty hard to do if your not talented IMO.
- stveshdy

Not saying he isn't talented
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:26 PM ET
Not saying he isn't talented
- BulliesPhan87


His potential is as high as any Flyers youngsters. Thats my opinion though.

I think its a great move by the Flames.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 6:28 PM ET
So you don't value him as a number #1 center?
- stveshdy


I think he's a nice young player. But he is not a player I'd want to build my team around. Nor would I want to commit that kind of money to him.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 6:28 PM ET
Well depends on what mocks you go by, some have the Flames currently 4th others 7th.
- ob18

Either way, the Flames pick and Avs own 1st probably gets you the 2nd overall if you want it bad enough. Avs could end up with someone wayyyyy more talented than O'Reilly that way. It's a no brainer for me. You're just going to have to go through this mess with Ryan again in two years anyway.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 28 @ 6:32 PM ET
I think he's a nice young player. But he is not a player I'd want to build my team around. Nor would I want to commit that kind of money to him.
- MJL


Thats exactly what the Flames are doing by making this move.
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