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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 4 @ 10:51 PM ET
Ex... Find a couple docs that will clear him to play... Have him show up to camp ready... Buy him out.

Briere needs to be replaced? We can't find a line for him as is. That's $6.5 million right there.

- moylander

No doctor would do that and you know it.

I do wonder though how these tests go... I mean he doesnt ever have to lace up and skate to get medical clearance, right? He just has to pass multiple baseline tests? If that is indeed the case that could happen. I won't write it off completely. But right now I'd say the odds of Matt Read rocking the Staples Center are a lot higher.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 4 @ 10:52 PM ET
It breaks my heart, I'm a big Danny B fan, but I think I agree.
- BulliesPhan87


I love Danny, too...but basically, you're looking at a logjam and rather than needing to sacrifice the young...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 4 @ 10:52 PM ET
i love how you have to capitalize Wife like the word God
- Crimsoninja

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 4 @ 10:53 PM ET
I love Danny, too...but basically, you're looking at a logjam and rather than needing to sacrifice the young...
- Jsaquella

Can't disagree
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 4 @ 10:53 PM ET
I love Danny, too...but basically, you're looking at a logjam and rather than needing to sacrifice the young...
- Jsaquella


It would be fantastic if he would allow us to trade him. I'll even let him select a list of teams.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 10:54 PM ET
Ex... Find a couple docs that will clear him to play... Have him show up to camp ready... Buy him out.

Briere needs to be replaced? We can't find a line for him as is. That's $6.5 million right there.

- moylander


I'll put it as plainly as I can. Any player you remove. Whether by trade, buyout, etc, needs to be replaced. You earmarked Timonen's money to re-sign 3 young players. You need to find another defenseman to replace Timonen. Which you said that was what the buyouts were for. Well you still have to replace the players you buyout.

Do you think a legitimate Doctor will clear a player such as Pronger to play, even if he medically shouldn't be cleared to play? What are they going to pay the Doctors off? Does Pronger have any say in this?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 4 @ 10:55 PM ET
It would be fantastic if he would allow us to trade him. I'll even let him select a list of teams.
- stveshdy


I'm not sold that he'd be as strongly about not waiving as we have been led to believe. Obviously playing in Germany wasn't that big of an issue.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 4 @ 10:55 PM ET
It would be fantastic if he would allow us to trade him. I'll even let him select a list of teams.
- stveshdy

If they're low enough in the standings at the deadline I think Homer may try to get him to. Personally, I don't think we'll be quite that far out of it though.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 10:56 PM ET
No doctor would do that and you know it.

I do wonder though how these tests go... I mean he doesnt ever have to lace up and skate to get medical clearance, right? He just has to pass multiple baseline tests? If that is indeed the case that could happen. I won't write it off completely. But right now I'd say the odds of Matt Read rocking the Staples Center are a lot higher.

- hereticpride


It certainly is possible that at some point Pronger could be deemed healthy and at least medically capable of playing Hockey.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 4 @ 10:56 PM ET
I'm not sold that he'd be as strongly about not waiving as we have been led to believe. Obviously playing in Germany wasn't that big of an issue.
- Jsaquella


I would deal him before the deadline if possible.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 4 @ 10:57 PM ET
If they're low enough in the standings at the deadline I think Homer may try to get him to. Personally, I don't think we'll be quite that far out of it though.
- hereticpride


True.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 4 @ 10:57 PM ET
Do you think a legitimate Doctor will clear a player such as Pronger to play, even if he medically shouldn't be cleared to play? What are they going to pay the Doctors off? Does Pronger have any say in this?
- MJL

This is a pretty serious accusation to honestly levy against the Flyers, that they'd do this. I mean, I get they they'll go to all means to circumvent the cap in terms of doing things like frontloading contracts, but this literally means criminal behavior. There's 0% chance the organization would take such a risk.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 4 @ 10:58 PM ET
It certainly is possible that at some point Pronger could be deemed healthy and at least medically capable of playing Hockey.
- MJL

Yeah, I could see that happening... I'm sure Homer has looked into it solely for buy out purposes.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 4 @ 10:59 PM ET
This is a pretty serious accusation to honestly levy against the Flyers, that they'd do this. I mean, I get they they'll go to all means to circumvent the cap in terms of doing things like frontloading contracts, but this literally means criminal behavior. There's 0% chance the organization would take such a risk.
- BulliesPhan87


Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Mar 4 @ 10:59 PM ET
also - so damn glad holm locked up voppa when he did
- Crimsoninja




MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 11:02 PM ET
Yeah, I could see that happening... I'm sure Homer has looked into it solely for buy out purposes.
- hereticpride


Well if it happens, it better happen in the next year and a half.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Mar 4 @ 11:03 PM ET
I'll put it as plainly as I can. Any player you remove. Whether by trade, buyout, etc, needs to be replaced. You earmarked Timonen's money to re-sign 3 young players. You need to find another defenseman to replace Timonen. Which you said that was what the buyouts were for. Well you still have to replace the players you buyout.

Do you think a legitimate Doctor will clear a player such as Pronger to play, even if he medically shouldn't be cleared to play? What are they going to pay the Doctors off? Does Pronger have any say in this?

- MJL


Ha ha.... Sports docs legitimate? That's funny. How many injured players get sent back out on the ice after a cortisone shot? You act like I'm guaranteeing a pronger buyout.... I just think its possible.

I have danny on the 3rd line as is.... I don't need $6.5 million to replace a 3rd line player. There's your fallacy. I can use $1 million on a call up and the other $5.5 towards a kimmo replacement.

Hartsy-G-Jake
Schenn-Coots-Simmonds
Talbot-Laughton-Read
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 4 @ 11:03 PM ET

- Don'tForgetTocchet

now he can get paid less than he might deserve!!!!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 4 @ 11:03 PM ET

- Jsaquella

The kneebone's connected to the... something. The something's connected to the... red thing. The red thing's connected to my wrist watch... Uh oh.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Mar 4 @ 11:04 PM ET
So in review... Read is great not a "luxury" and bernier is "just an inexperienced backup goalie" yet l.a. Wouldn't accept trade of read and a 2nd round pick for bernier??? Hmmm... That's fishy even for hockeybuzz thinking.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Mar 4 @ 11:06 PM ET

- Don'tForgetTocchet


Simmonds' deal also looks pretty damn good right now for a guy putting up numbers the way he is. 6 yrs / $3.9M per.

(and it doesn't even start until next season...$1.75 this year!)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 11:06 PM ET
Ha ha.... Sports docs legitimate? That's funny. How many injured players get sent back out on the ice after a cortisone shot? You act like I'm guaranteeing a pronger buyout.... I just think its possible.

I have danny on the 3rd line as is.... I don't need $6.5 million to replace a 3rd line player. There's your fallacy. I can use $1 million on a call up and the other $5.5 on a kimmo replacement.

- moylander


Do you honestly think that giving a player a cortisone shot in a sore joint is the same thing as giving a false diagnosis to a player with a serious brain injury, so a pro sports team can put itself in a better financial situation in a Cap environment? And as far as I know, cortisone shots are a legitimate Medical treatment. And isn't fraudulent.

If you think you can replace a top player with a call up, then I guess you're right.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 4 @ 11:07 PM ET
So in review... Read is great not a "luxury" and bernier is "just an inexperienced backup goalie" yet l.a. Wouldn't accept trade of read and a 2nd round pick for bernier??? Hmmm... That's fishy even for hockeybuzz thinking.
- SMS4016




stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 4 @ 11:07 PM ET
So in review... Read is great not a "luxury" and bernier is "just an inexperienced backup goalie" yet l.a. Wouldn't accept trade of read and a 2nd round pick for bernier??? Hmmm... That's fishy even for hockeybuzz thinking.
- SMS4016

Oh Snap!!!!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 4 @ 11:08 PM ET
So in review... Read is great not a "luxury" and bernier is "just an inexperienced backup goalie" yet l.a. Wouldn't accept trade of read and a 2nd round pick for bernier??? Hmmm... That's fishy even for hockeybuzz thinking.
- SMS4016


Nobody has stated that Read is great. And Bernier is an inexperienced backup.
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