Also in review... Let's not trade read because he has great value from his cap friendly contract ( which makes his trade value even higher) let's wait til he wants 4 mil a year and has no trade value. Ala leino.

Also in review... Let's not trade read because he has great value from his cap friendly contract ( which makes his trade value even higher) let's wait til he wants 4 mil a year and has no trade value. Ala leino.
- SMS4016

Double "Oh, Snap"!!!

Also in review... Let's not trade read because he has great value from his cap friendly contract ( which makes his trade value even higher) let's wait til he wants 4 mil a year and has no trade value. Ala leino.
- SMS4016

wow

wow
- MBFlyerfan

You no like?

relevant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bfe6CgYbH8

So in review... Read is great not a "luxury" and bernier is "just an inexperienced backup goalie" yet l.a. Wouldn't accept trade of read and a 2nd round pick for bernier??? Hmmm... That's fishy even for hockeybuzz thinking.
- SMS4016

Do you understand the concept of supply and demand? Right now, Bernier is a commodity that the Kings don't have to move. In fact, given Quick's struggles, they may not move him even if you overwhelm them. In fact, Matt Read doesn't really fill a huge need for the Kings. He's not knocking anyone off the top line, he might slip onto the second line, with Richards and Carter, but again, they were sitting Gagne and Penner at one point-winger's not a huge need.

Read is a top six winger, which are a bit more plentiful. The trouble is, if you trade Read and buy out Briere, you're making yourself shorthanded. If you trade Read and keep Briere, then you've traded a cap friendly asset to fill a hole that didn't exist. Then have to figure out a way to fill holes. It's counter productive.

Do you honestly think that giving a player a cortisone shot in a sore joint is the same thing as giving a false diagnosis to a player with a serious brain injury, so a pro sports team can put itself in a better financial situation in a Cap environment? And as far as I know, cortisone shots are a legitimate Medical treatment. And isn't fraudulent.

If you think you can replace a top player with a call up, then I guess you're right.
- MJL

How many times did Steve Young and Troy Aikmen return from concussions? Sid Crosby and Eric Lindros? And pronger can't return for a but out... Why? The thing about brain injuries is they are not black and white in prognosis. The gray area is completely legit here.

I think we don't NEED danny to score (and not as much these days) and not play d when we already have this in the top 9:

Hartsy-G-Jake
Schenn-Coots-Simmonds
Talbot-Laughton-Read

You sound like the guys that suggested the flyers won't score as much without Richie and Carts. Newsflash... They scored 'more'. Dannys cap space goes a long way towards finding kimmos replacement.

Do you understand the concept of supply and demand? Right now, Bernier is a commodity that the Kings don't have to move. In fact, given Quick's struggles, they may not move him even if you overwhelm them. In fact, Matt Read doesn't really fill a huge need for the Kings. He's not knocking anyone off the top line, he might slip onto the second line, with Richards and Carter, but again, they were sitting Gagne and Penner at one point-winger's not a huge need.

Read is a top six winger, which are a bit more plentiful. The trouble is, if you trade Read and buy out Briere, you're making yourself shorthanded. If you trade Read and keep Briere, then you've traded a cap friendly asset to fill a hole that didn't exist. Then have to figure out a way to fill holes. It's counter productive.
- Jsaquella

Bullsh1t! all things are possible

So in review... Read is great not a "luxury" and bernier is "just an inexperienced backup goalie" yet l.a. Wouldn't accept trade of read and a 2nd round pick for bernier??? Hmmm... That's fishy even for hockeybuzz thinking.
- SMS4016

Also in review... Let's not trade read because he has great value from his cap friendly contract ( which makes his trade value even higher) let's wait til he wants 4 mil a year and has no trade value. Ala leino.
- SMS4016

wow
- MBFlyerfan

Sorry people that's how you lose your young talent. Philly needs to identify their true core, lock them up, and trade some of the others for the pieces they feel they need. But You cannot lock up 6 or 7 forwards to 4 to 7 year deals with 4 to 6 mil a year. Math doesn't add up. No team has players locked up like that. Read at maybe 2 mil is fine, but I'm not sacrificing other key players to give him more.

How many times did Steve Young and Troy Aikmen return from concussions? Sid Crosby and Eric Lindros? And pronger can't return... Why? The thing about brain injuries is they are not black and white in prognosis. The gray area is completely legit here.


- moylander

There is a lot more known about Concussions now. Including the diagnosis and treatment of concussions. You don't think the advancements in Medicine has anything to do with it? Pronger could get healthy and return. But that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about finding some Doctors to fraudulently provide a false Medical prognosis to allow the Flyers to buy Pronger out.

I think we don't NEED danny to score (and not as much these days) and not play d when we already have this in the top 9:

Hartsy-G-Jake
Schenn-Coots-Simmonds
Talbot-Laughton-Read

You sound like the guys that suggested the flyers won't score as much without Richie and Carts. Newsflash... They scored 'more'. Dannys cap space goes a long way towards finding kimmos replacement.
- moylander

I didn't say a word about needing Briere, or not being able to score without Briere. I'm simply stating the Cap realities to you.

Also in review... Let's not trade read because he has great value from his cap friendly contract ( which makes his trade value even higher) let's wait til he wants 4 mil a year and has no trade value. Ala leino.
- SMS4016

And Read's not a free agent for another 18 months, which means they don't have to rush into a decision to make a change for the sake of change.

would it be a shocker at this point if stevie y tried to trade carle back to us? TB is ready for some major changes...
- isaiah520

i'm a fan, but not of that contract. certainly not of trading assets for it. that ship has sailed

Sorry people that's how you lose your young talent. Philly needs to identify their true core, lock them up, and trade some of the others for the pieces they feel they need. But You cannot lock up 6 or 7 forwards to 4 to 7 year deals with 4 to 6 mil a year. Math doesn't add up. No team has players locked up like that. Read at maybe 2 mil is fine, but I'm not sacrificing other key players to give him more.
- SMS4016

It's the same conversation over and over. Nobody is against trading a player to fill a true need at another spot. Nobody myself included would be against trading Read, or any of the other young players in the right deal.

I'm simply against your proposed deal of trading Read for Bernier. If I'm trading one of the young Forwards, I'd most likely be doing it to add a defenseman.

Sorry people that's how you lose your young talent. Philly needs to identify their true core, lock them up, and trade some of the others for the pieces they feel they need. But You cannot lock up 6 or 7 forwards to 4 to 7 year deals with 4 to 6 mil a year. Math doesn't add up. No team has players locked up like that. Read at maybe 2 mil is fine, but I'm not sacrificing other key players to give him more.
- SMS4016

Nash, Richards, Gaborik, Callahan, Staal, Lundqvist
Kane, Hossa, Towes, Sharp, Seabrook, Keith
Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Booth, Bieska, Garrisson, Hamhius, Luongo

Should I keep going?

There is a lot more known about Concussions now. Including the diagnosis and treatment of concussions. You don't think the advancements in Medicine has anything to do with it? Pronger could get healthy and return. But that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about finding some Doctors to fraudulently provide a false Medical prognosis to allow the Flyers to buy Pronger out.



I didn't say a word about needing Briere, or not being able to score without Briere. I'm simply stating the Cap realities to you.
- MJL

No.... I gave an example of finding docs that would clear him to play. Why do athletes get second opinions? Because they don't like what they heard the first time. You are suggesting I think the flyers should defraud the NHL.... You are making a false assumption. Despite what's known about concussions there is still a lot of gray area.... Its not like a broken arm where its either broken or its not.

Sorry people that's how you lose your young talent. Philly needs to identify their true core, lock them up, and trade some of the others for the pieces they feel they need. But You cannot lock up 6 or 7 forwards to 4 to 7 year deals with 4 to 6 mil a year. Math doesn't add up. No team has players locked up like that. Read at maybe 2 mil is fine, but I'm not sacrificing other key players to give him more.
- SMS4016

That's fine. It's logical. Right up to the point where you'd be trading Read to fill hole that doesn't exist.

You say you want to trade Read in a deal that lands you David Rundblad, people are a lot more agreeable, because you'd be using that asset to land a guy that fills a need.

The reality you're ignoring in your burning quest to dump Bryzgalov is, that it doesn't address the need for a defenseman. There's nobody available in UFA that fills that need. You'd have to go after an RFA with players and picks, or get one to sign an offer sheet.

Also in review... Let's not trade read because he has great value from his cap friendly contract ( which makes his trade value even higher) let's wait til he wants 4 mil a year and has no trade value. Ala leino.
- SMS4016

i agree actually

samesies for giroux, he's not even making 4 mil!! just try and imagine how much value he has

No.... I gave an example of finding docs that would clear him to play. Why do athletes get second opinions? Because they don't like what they heard the first time. You are suggesting I think the flyers should defraud the NHL.... You are making a false assumption. Despite what's known about concussions there is still a lot of gray area.... Its not like a broken arm where its broken or its not.
- moylander

So what, you just keep going to Doctor after Doctor until you find one that will clear him to play? Yea, there are second opinions.

And to use your broken arm example. What you want is a Doctor to say an arm isn't broken, when it is indeed broken. We can review what you've said previously. And others have replied with the same response as I have. There are no false assumptions being made.

Do you understand the concept of supply and demand? Right now, Bernier is a commodity that the Kings don't have to move. In fact, given Quick's struggles, they may not move him even if you overwhelm them. In fact, Matt Read doesn't really fill a huge need for the Kings. He's not knocking anyone off the top line, he might slip onto the second line, with Richards and Carter, but again, they were sitting Gagne and Penner at one point-winger's not a huge need.

Read is a top six winger, which are a bit more plentiful. The trouble is, if you trade Read and buy out Briere, you're making yourself shorthanded. If you trade Read and keep Briere, then you've traded a cap friendly asset to fill a hole that didn't exist. Then have to figure out a way to fill holes. It's counter productive.
- Jsaquella

What's the # 1 knock on la? That's right, they don't score goals!!! Sooo read is a doesn't fill a need for them? And a 2nd round pick to? For bernier? Only a back up... With no experience?? Maybe just maybe read is over valued and bernier is under valued. No it's coming from sms4o16 so that can't be

So what, you just keep going to Doctor after Doctor until you find one that will clear him to play? Yea, there are second opinions.

And to use your broken arm example. What you want is a Doctor to say an arm isn't broken, when it is indeed broken. We can review what you've said previously. And others have replied with the same response as I have. There are no false assumptions being made.
- MJL

I believe he has to be approved by a league doctor anyway so the argument is null.

What's the # 1 knock on la? That's right, they don't score goals!!! Sooo read is a doesn't fill a need for them? And a 2nd round pick to? For bernier? Only a back up... With no experience?? Maybe just maybe read is over valued and bernier is under valued. No it's coming from sms4o16 so that can't be
- SMS4016

You're a year behind. They got Carter. No.1 knock on them now is Quick hasnt shown up.

That's fine. It's logical. Right up to the point where you'd be trading Read to fill hole that doesn't exist.

You say you want to trade Read in a deal that lands you David Rundblad, people are a lot more agreeable, because you'd be using that asset to land a guy that fills a need.

The reality you're ignoring in your burning quest to dump Bryzgalov is, that it doesn't address the need for a defenseman. There's nobody available in UFA that fills that need. You'd have to go after an RFA with players and picks, or get one to sign an offer sheet.
- Jsaquella

And again dangle coots for that dman. We got Laughton coming. And as the godly bill meltzer pointed out he's tearing up the ohl. Just curious when is coots offense going to come?

I believe he has to be approved by a league doctor anyway so the argument is null.
- hereticpride

The process is that the Flyers provide the Medical documentation to the League to place a player on LTIR. The League can choose to challenge that. In which case the player would be examined by an independent physician.

And again dangle coots for that dman. We got Laughton coming. And as the godly bill meltzer pointed out he's tearing up the ohl. Just curious when is coots offense going to come?
- SMS4016

Now we've come full circle! I'm experiencing deja vue!


If Couturier's offense isn't here now at 20, it's never going to come.