Now we've come full circle!
- MJL

Trade the whole team for the Blackhawks! I bet all that gold makes the chocolate taste terrible.

Nash, Richards, Gaborik, Callahan, Staal, Lundqvist
Kane, Hossa, Towes, Sharp, Seabrook, Keith
Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Booth, Bieska, Garrisson, Hamhius, Luongo

Should I keep going?
- hereticpride

Trade the whole team for the Blackhawks! I bet all that gold makes the chocolate taste terrible.
- hereticpride

Best suggestion all night.

The process is that the Flyers provide the Medical documentation to the League to place a player on LTIR. The League can choose to challenge that. In which case the player would be examined by an independent physician.
- MJL

Fair enough. Pronger getting cleared for the sole purpose of being bought out would probably be challenged by the league. Independent doctor has nothing to gain and everything to lose by clearing him if he is indeed still ill.

There is a lot more known about Concussions now. Including the diagnosis and treatment of concussions. You don't think the advancements in Medicine has anything to do with it? Pronger could get healthy and return. But that's not what you're talking about. You're talking about finding some Doctors to fraudulently provide a false Medical prognosis to allow the Flyers to buy Pronger out.



I didn't say a word about needing Briere, or not being able to score without Briere. I'm simply stating the Cap realities to you.
- MJL

Cap realities.... Assuming a briere buy out and the $6 million for kimmo gets redistributed to coots, schenn, and G....

Flyers would have $13.5 million to resign read, kimmos replacement, and mez's replacement. That's with pronger still on the roster and a $64 mill cap that did not increase. Am I wrong?

What's the # 1 knock on la? That's right, they don't score goals!!! Sooo read is a doesn't fill a need for them? And a 2nd round pick to? For bernier? Only a back up... With no experience?? Maybe just maybe read is over valued and bernier is under valued. No it's coming from sms4o16 so that can't be
- SMS4016

No, it ignores logic, which is why it can't be.

The first logical misstep is that LA's biggest issue this year has been that Jonathan Quick has not been nearly as good as he was last year. That means that the Kings are less likely to trade Bernier, again, even if the return was huge, because they have to hedge their bets.


The second logical misstep is that the Flyers don't have as big a need in goal as they do on defense. If you were to suggest Read and a 2nd for Voynov, you'd have more people agree with you, because the Flyers goaltending has been the team's strength so far.

Nash, Richards, Gaborik, Callahan, Staal, Lundqvist
Kane, Hossa, Towes, Sharp, Seabrook, Keith
Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Booth, Bieska, Garrisson, Hamhius, Luongo

Should I keep going?
- hereticpride

Yeah keep going. I said FORWARDS!!! Harts,g,checky,simmer,schenn,coots read. That's 7 name a team go ahead buddy keep searching only list forwards next time

Fair enough. Pronger getting cleared for the sole purpose of being bought out would probably be challenged by the league. Independent doctor has nothing to gain and everything to lose by clearing him if he is indeed still ill.
- hereticpride

I think any Doctor has nothing to gain and everything to lose by clearing him if he is indeed still ill. And quite possibly, Pronger himself just might say something.

Cap realities.... Assuming a briere buy out and the $6 million for kimmo gets redistributed to coots, schenn, and G....

Flyers would have $13.5 million to resign read, kimmos replacement, and mez's replacement. That's with pronger still on the roster and a $64 mill cap that did not increase. Am I wrong?
- moylander

Go to Capgeek and use the Cap Calculator.

And again dangle coots for that dman. We got Laughton coming. And as the godly bill meltzer pointed out he's tearing up the ohl. Just curious when is coots offense going to come?
- SMS4016

When Couturier was at the same level as Laughton, he put up a 96 point season, after missing the start of that season with mono.

It's moronic comments like this that have people not taking you seriously and treating you like the kid who's mommy won't let him use the scissors in school.

Jeff Carter with the lone meaningless goal in the LA vs. Nashville game.

Simmonds' deal also looks pretty damn good right now for a guy putting up numbers the way he is. 6 yrs / $3.9M per.

(and it doesn't even start until next season...$1.75 this year!)

- BringBack25

honestly forgot we locked him up that long

No, it ignores logic, which is why it can't be.

The first logical misstep is that LA's biggest issue this year has been that Jonathan Quick has not been nearly as good as he was last year. That means that the Kings are less likely to trade Bernier, again, even if the return was huge, because they have to hedge their bets.


The second logical misstep is that the Flyers don't have as big a need in goal as they do on defense. If you were to suggest Read and a 2nd for Voynov, you'd have more people agree with you, because the Flyers goaltending has been the team's strength so far.
- Jsaquella

Really??? Hmmm. Kings are 19th in the league in scoring. That's tearing it up let me tell you. Do you watch them? Sorry scoring is their # 1 problem. They are 8 th in goals against sooo goaltending overall is not the problem . Keep searching. Facts are facts. Oh yeah bernier is pitching a shutout. What a shocker

Yeah keep going. I said FORWARDS!!! Harts,g,checky,simmer,schenn,coots read. That's 7 name a team go ahead buddy keep searching only list forwards next time
- SMS4016

Doesnt really make a difference. Every team has the same cap to play with for the same number of players. Who's to say what distribution system works and what doesn't? Flyers have two buy outs and Kimmo's money after next year to make it work.

No one is saying each and everyone of these guys are going to be career Flyers. But it's hardly the biggest concern right now.

Jeff Carter with the lone meaningless goal in the LA vs. Nashville game.
- Lexington Flyer

Carter is scoring at a 49 goal pace.

Go to Capgeek and use the Cap Calculator.
- MJL

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Nick Cousins ($0.925m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.578m)
DEFENSEMEN
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Chris Pronger ($4.936m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Cal Heeter ($0.950m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Andrej Meszaros ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,164,881; BONUSES: $3,145,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $12,280,119

Go to Capgeek and use the Cap Calculator.
- MJL

Hahaha yeah ok ... Cap realities.... G is getting BIG bucks for BIG years !! G is going to get at least 6 mil himself

Really??? Hmmm. Kings are 19th in the league in scoring. That's tearing it up let me tell you. Do you watch them? Sorry scoring is their # 1 problem. They are 8 th in goals against sooo goaltending overall is not the problem . Keep searching. Facts are facts. Oh yeah bernier is pitching a shutout. What a shocker
- SMS4016

Quick's GAA is half a goal a game higher, and his save percentage has dropped from .929 to .901.

Bernier is outplaying him, by a large margin. That is why they won't trade Bernier

I'll repeat that:


THAT.....IS......WHY.....THEY.....WON'T.....TRADE....BERNIER

If they moved Bernier, right now, for Read and a 2nd and Quick didn't rebound, they're not making the playoffs.


Oh, and FWIW, the Kings finished last season 19th in the league in scoring. That worked out well for them

Really??? Hmmm. Kings are 19th in the league in scoring. That's tearing it up let me tell you. Do you watch them? Sorry scoring is their # 1 problem. They are 8 th in goals against sooo goaltending overall is not the problem . Keep searching. Facts are facts. Oh yeah bernier is pitching a shutout. What a shocker
- SMS4016

Let's compare them to their Cup Season. LA gave up 2.07 goals against last year. This year 2.42 goals against.

Kings scored 2.29 goals a game last year. This year 2.53 goals a game.

So to summarize. LA is scoring more goals this year then last year. And is giving up more goals this year then last year.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Nick Cousins ($0.925m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.578m)
DEFENSEMEN
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Chris Pronger ($4.936m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Cal Heeter ($0.950m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Andrej Meszaros ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,164,881; BONUSES: $3,145,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $12,280,119
- moylander

Sorry, but willingly including Gervais in your top 9 is the death knell for any chance at credibility this roster might have had. Use some of that cap space and keep Mezzy over Brunover.

Bryz isn't getting bought out this offseason (if ever) and we aren't getting Bernier. Face it SMS.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Nick Cousins ($0.925m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.578m)
DEFENSEMEN
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Chris Pronger ($4.936m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Cal Heeter ($0.950m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Andrej Meszaros ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,164,881; BONUSES: $3,145,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $12,280,119
- moylander

Where are the raises to all the players you are talking about? It's incomplete.

When Couturier was at the same level as Laughton, he put up a 96 point season, after missing the start of that season with mono.

It's moronic comments like this that have people not taking you seriously and treating you like the kid who's mommy won't let him use the scissors in school.
- Jsaquella

Yep I'm a moron... Sooo coots a 3rd line center on THIS team( with Laughton as a replacement if coots is traded) is more valuable to THIS team than trading him for a #1 dman (which we don't have and don't have coming from the minors) yep I'm a moron

Quick's GAA is half a goal a game higher, and his save percentage has dropped from .929 to .901.

Bernier is outplaying him, by a large margin. That is why they won't trade Bernier

I'll repeat that:


THAT.....IS......WHY.....THEY.....WON'T.....TRADE....BERNIER

If they moved Bernier, right now, for Read and a 2nd and Quick didn't rebound, they're not making the playoffs.


Oh, and FWIW, the Kings finished last season 19th in the league in scoring. That worked out well for them
- Jsaquella