Are you turning off the games when schenn is on the ice? He's our #2. Hey I really like coots but schenn I like more. Coots can be #2 maybe #1 on other teams but not on THIS team. Not saying it would happen but I'd even overpay for pietreangelo like coots read two #1. My point is let's get that f k er and not have to worry about it. A package with coots and picks I'm sure can get a #1 dman. Oh update end of 2nd bernier still with the shutout going
- SMS4016

What's the rush?

Just admit you're wrong, no way you're winning this argument. Coots is trade bait. Probably get a 6th and a 7th for him if he's moved before his value drops even more. Getting this done prior to Thursday would be ideal.

Think of the future!
- canadianpenfan

once again you are ignoring the need for an inexperienced young goaltender to grow with the young core we trade away for the legit number one dman that is more important than a third line center on some team because you can't have six or seven FORWARDS on one team all making that much the math doesn't work because you have to give away your young talent before you want to because the cap and we have Laughton to replace Coots and Read is a luxury and we don't need first round picks because we have the young core and stuff. it's pretty simple...

What's illogical is you posting your selke level playing no offense producing always will be 3rd line center on THIS team is more impoRtant than a #1 dman. What would you rather have? Coots or a #1 dman?
- SMS4016

Except he won't always be the third center. He's 20 years old, and slotted there mainly because of Briere.

If Briere is gone next year, it's likely that Schenn will move to wing and Couturier will be moved up to the second center slot.

And honestly, even if he isn't, Laughton isn't going to replace what he does defensively. You might want to take a look at Couturier's linemates. Prior to Gagne's arrival, he was playing with Knuble and Talbot. Last year he was playing with 4th liners, and you expect more offense from him? Further, you expect Laughton to replace him & produce more offensively?

Rather than piss up a rope because you have some sort of anti-Bryzgalov bias, trade Read for a defenseman. They don't need a Pietrangelo or OEL, they need a good solid puck mover that can play 20-25 minutes a night and quarterback a power play.

I mean, you're trading Read for a goalie that they don't need, buying out Briere and Bryzgalov, and then trading a 20 year old who is not only playing elite level defense, but was also a better scoring in juniors than the rookie replacing him.

Then, go spend the cap savings on UFAs, who will cost more than the players sent away.

Yes, sheer brilliance

Just admit you're wrong, no way you're winning this argument. Coots is trade bait. Probably get a 6th and a 7th for him if he's moved before his value drops even more. Getting this done prior to Thursday would be ideal.

Think of the future!
- canadianpenfan

Coots or #1 dman. You'd rather have which?

it's been very entertaining tonight. full moon or something i think.
- BringBack25

Spirited discussions for an "off" night. You guys are hardcore!

Just admit you're wrong, no way you're winning this argument. Coots is trade bait. Probably get a 6th and a 7th for him if he's moved before his value drops even more. Getting this done prior to Thursday would be ideal.

Think of the future!
- canadianpenfan

You just want him away from Malkin

once again you are ignoring the need for an inexperienced young goaltender to grow with the young core we trade away for the legit number one dman that is more important than a third line center on some team because you can't have six or seven FORWARDS on one team all making that much the math doesn't work because you have to give away your young talent before you want to because the cap and we have Laughton to replace Coots and Read is a luxury and we don't need first round picks because we have the young core and stuff. it's pretty simple...
- BringBack25

Bingo. At least someone understands. If MJL would start understanding how the cap world works you could have saved 9 pages. Think of the trees!

Just admit you're wrong, no way you're winning this argument. Coots is trade bait. Probably get a 6th and a 7th for him if he's moved before his value drops even more. Getting this done prior to Thursday would be ideal.

Think of the future!
- canadianpenfan

You know, you're right. Trading the 20 year old kid, who was a much more prolific scorer than the 18 year old we'd replace him with in juniors, and who was the top prospect in his draft class, prior to a bout with mono, who in his rookie year showed great hockey sense and instincts, and played a shut down center role at age 19, and followed it up by holding the NHL's MVP and leading scorer to one even strength goal over a six game playoff series, and then followed THAT up, by coming out in his second year, and actually stepping up the level of his defensive play IS the right move.

For the future.

Coots or #1 dman. You'd rather have which?
- SMS4016

#1 dman, For surE.

I agree with you.

once again you are ignoring the need for an inexperienced young goaltender to grow with the young core we trade away for the legit number one dman that is more important than a third line center on some team because you can't have six or seven FORWARDS on one team all making that much the math doesn't work because you have to give away your young talent before you want to because the cap and we have Laughton to replace Coots and Read is a luxury and we don't need first round picks because we have the young core and stuff. it's pretty simple...
- BringBack25

I cobbled one together for next year, where all I did was re-sign Gagne, Wellwood, Rinaldo and Gustafsson. There was a need for a back-up goalie and a 13th forward, but I had $6.6mm+ to fill those holes and make other changes.

Don't forget, the cap will rise again after next season. It's based on revenues, and based on the numbers the NHL is on pace to make $2.7 Billion this year, which is pretty much 2/3rds of the revenues from last year(in just over half as many games) which pushed the cap to $70mm.

If the NHL has the same revenues next season, the cap could be in the $74mm range when it's time to re-sign Giroux, Couturier, Schenn and Read.
- Jsaquella

You have a gift for words sir. I was thinking along those lines but stating it seems to be a problem.

You know, you're right. Trading the 20 year old kid, who was a much more prolific scorer than the 18 year old we'd replace him with in juniors, and who was the top prospect in his draft class, prior to a bout with mono, who in his rookie year showed great hockey sense and instincts, and played a shut down center role at age 19, and followed it up by holding the NHL's MVP and leading scorer to one even strength goal over a six game playoff series, and then followed THAT up, by coming out in his second year, and actually stepping up the level of his defensive play IS the right move.

For the future.
- Jsaquella

Exactly.

No tirade needed. It's simple ? Would you rather have coots or a #1 dman. And we have kimmo to do what you say. He's not a true #1. Sorry we don't need more of that

Coots or #1 dman. You'd rather have which?
- SMS4016

Which number one defenseman do you get for Couturier, straight up?

You won't get Pietrangelo. Or Weber. Or Keith. Or OEL. Or Seabrook. Or Chara.

I wouldn't trade Couturier for Subban or Yandle. So which number one do you get straight up for Couturier?

You just want him away from Malkin
- Lexington Flyer

Yes.


See his goal tonight?

once again you are ignoring the need for an inexperienced young goaltender to grow with the young core we trade away for the legit number one dman that is more important than a third line center on some team because you can't have six or seven FORWARDS on one team all making that much the math doesn't work because you have to give away your young talent before you want to because the cap and we have Laughton to replace Coots and Read is a luxury and we don't need first round picks because we have the young core and stuff. it's pretty simple...
- BringBack25

I... um... well, gee, I hadn't considered it that way. It seems so easy, I guess.

carter hatty

Which number one defenseman do you get for Couturier, straight up?

You won't get Pietrangelo. Or Weber. Or Keith. Or OEL. Or Seabrook. Or Chara.

I wouldn't trade Couturier for Subban or Yandle. So which number one do you get straight up for Couturier?
- Jsaquella

He already said Coots, Read and 2 firsts. I think it's worth it.

Yes.


See his goal tonight?
- canadianpenfan

That was an incredible goal. If Crosby had scored it, Pierre would have broken his neck jumping out of the box to get over and kiss him.

He already said Coots, Read and 2 firsts. I think it's worth it.
- canadianpenfan

Ah, but that's not Couturier OR a number one defenseman.

FWIW, I'd be open to moving Couturier and a package for a kid like OEL. But let's not sit here and act as if it's a one for one thing.

Which number one defenseman do you get for Couturier, straight up?

You won't get Pietrangelo. Or Weber. Or Keith. Or OEL. Or Seabrook. Or Chara.

I wouldn't trade Couturier for Subban or Yandle. So which number one do you get straight up for Couturier?
- Jsaquella

Matt Carle

Matt Carle
- BringBack25

If somebody suggested a Read led package for a guy like Yandle, I'd be very interested.

He already said Coots, Read and 2 firsts. I think it's worth it.
- canadianpenfan

Yes.


See his goal tonight?
- canadianpenfan

No hockey for me tonight outside of tonight's episode of "as the puck drops" in here. Working.

If somebody suggested a Read led package for a guy like Yandle, I'd be very interested.
- Jsaquella

could work, both very luxurious.