Laughton is a very nice future 3rd line checking center with a little offensive pop.

Couturier has shown he can shut down the Art Ross Trophy winner over an entire playoff series in his rookie season, and put up 96 points in back-to-back seasons in juniors (due to getting mono, he had the highest points per game of any draft eligible CHL player). He was projected 1st overall before getting mono.

Just a bit of a different player.
- jmatchett

See post above yours.

Yeah, the Flyers will probably re-sign Timonen and Briere for starters.


Just didn't want to be accused of changing my views and get stuck with a cellphone battery in my pacemaker
- Jsaquella

I made the grave error of not putting Bobby Ryan in my 3 year projection.

See post above yours.
- NickTheKid87

Yes, I did. I still don't think that Laughton can compensate for the loss of Couturier unless the Flyers receive a true bona fide #1 defenseman who can contribute at both ends of the ice. And being that one of them would cost Couturier +, I'm not down with it (Shea Weber would have been the exception).

Pretty much. The fact that the prequels throw out 15+ years of great books that were better than the 3 prequels is irksome, too.
- Flyskippy

I really don't get George. Wants a trilogy now that includes cast from the original trilogy. So what's he do? Wait until they are all applying for social security and sells it to disney, who I might add would have been better suited to do what he wanted to accomplish in the prequel trilogy, which was a big waste of time. Episode III is worth watching imo tho. You can throw out the other two.

I made the grave error of not putting Bobby Ryan in my 3 year projection.
- NickTheKid87

HOW DID YOU FORGET BOB RYAB FIST?!?!?!?

You our a trader to are late couch, who past. Great old couch Paterno, who past from snitchin'

Yet most people here feel that Couturier alone can't land a player like OEL alone, that you'd have to add a kicker, such as a pick.

I agree wholeheartedly with the second part of your post. But when you identify a 21 year old who can be a franchise level defenseman, IMO, it's worth trading a kid like Couturier.

I'm not saying to move Couts for Yandle or Subban. No way I agree to that. But an guy like OEL, who could be similar to Lidstrom....
- Jsaquella

I agree for OEL is a no brainer but judging from Maloney's price for Yandle, it won't just be Couturier plus a pick, if OEL is available at all which is very unlikely. I am not saying you, but there seems to be the perception that Couturier is interchangeable with Laughton, or that B. Schenn is better when he is a year older and playing with much better line mates. Couturier plus something reasonable for OEL makes sense. Couturier for Subban or Yandle, no way.

Also, with Weiss out for the season, any chance The Sixers make an offer for him?

HOW DID YOU FORGET BOB RYAB FIST?!?!?!?

You our a trader to are late couch, who past. Great old couch Paterno, who past from snitchin'
- Jsaquella

Doesn't it seem like the majority of people who stick up for Paterno are the same ones who want Ryan? Seem being the key word.

Yes, I did. I still don't think that Laughton can compensate for the loss of Couturier unless the Flyers receive a true bona fide #1 defenseman who can contribute at both ends of the ice. And being that one of them would cost Couturier +, I'm not down with it (Shea Weber would have been the exception).
- jmatchett

That's what I'd trade him for. Let's say OEL because he seems to be the main guy we've been talking about. I think OEL and Laughton make up for what you'd lose with Couturier. You'd probably have to give up more than just Couts but you get the idea.

I'm not viewing it in terms of Laughton replacing Couturier, I'm more saying that Laughton will be able to compensate for a portion of the defensive ability that will be lost with Couturier in the long run. When I think about trading Couts, I focused on the long term and not the immediate impact. Framework lineup like:

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
FA LW-Schenn-Simmonds
McGinn-FA C-Read
Cousins-Laughton Rinaldo

Dman traded for Couts-Schenn
Coburn-Grossman
Mesz-Gus

Bryz
FA backup

Obviously a lot more than that could/will change but this would be my projection 3 or 4 years down the road. Knowing the Flyers though, I would expect this to be totally different in reality...
- NickTheKid87

i think you mean the above nxt yr, cause in 3-4 yrs laughton should be a solid 3rd line center. pretty much agree though overall.

I really don't get George. Wants a trilogy now that includes cast from the original trilogy. So what's he do? Wait until they are all applying for social security and sells it to disney, who I might add would have been better suited to do what he wanted to accomplish in the prequel trilogy, which was a big waste of time. Episode III is worth watching imo tho. You can throw out the other two.
- JoeRussomanno

Decades ago, Lucas' original plan was for a 9 part story line. They were planned to come out, pretty much like they have, with parts 4-6 first, then the prequels, then the last three were to be the coda for the Luke and Leia generation and what their off spring does.

Perhaps Lucas ran out of gas, or simply decided that the criticism-valid, IMO, of the prequels took his heart out of it a little.

HOW DID YOU FORGET BOB RYAB FIST?!?!?!?

You our a trader to are late couch, who past. Great old couch Paterno, who past from snitchin'
- Jsaquella

McQueary snitched on his mans (are couch) and then the media helped kill Couch Paterno too.

i think you mean the above nxt yr, cause in 3-4 yrs laughton should be a solid 3rd line center. pretty much agree though overall.
- isaiah520

maybe its because of my surviving the 80's south jersey air pollution fiasco but for some reason I feel as tho Laughton will be just as good as couturier. I know completely unfounded in reality but a nagging notion in my crawl.

HOW DID YOU FORGET BOB RYAB FIST?!?!?!?

You our a trader to are late couch, who past. Great old couch Paterno, who past from snitchin'
- Jsaquella

We should tri to get BOB RYAB FIST AND CLAM FEELER... Top d-man and BEST WING-GER EVER

I really don't get George. Wants a trilogy now that includes cast from the original trilogy. So what's he do? Wait until they are all applying for social security and sells it to disney, who I might add would have been better suited to do what he wanted to accomplish in the prequel trilogy, which was a big waste of time. Episode III is worth watching imo tho. You can throw out the other two.
- JoeRussomanno

Still don't like Episode III. All 3 have their moments (few, though they be) - mostly because Ewan McGregor is a good actor - but we didn't really need the backstory when they could have just moved the story forward.

According to Mark Hamill, this was something George kicked around - and I remember him (George) talking about doing Episodes VII - IX in Time Magazine back in 1980 after TESB came out. The "plan" then was to take 3 years off then start working on Episode I, which would mean Episode I would come out in 1989 -- 10 years ahead of actual events. The movie would have been less-CGI influenced which would have forced creativity the way the original series was made. So, Episodes II & III would have been released in 1992 and 1995 (instead of 2002 & 2005), with Episode VII ready to go in 2001, VIII in 2004, and IX in 2007. We should be so over it by now.

EDIT: I also believe George was surrounded by too many "Yes" men like Rick McCallum and not enough editors. The studios not giving him free rein in the 70's was to the movies' benefit.

i think you mean the above nxt yr, cause in 3-4 yrs laughton should be a solid 3rd line center. pretty much agree though overall.
- isaiah520

Split the difference: 2 years

Either way, it's just for the sake of debate. There's no way that will be what the lineup looks like in 3-4 years. It was just to give what I thought to be a framework idea for what the team could look like if Couts was traded for a young #1 dman.

Decades ago, Lucas' original plan was for a 9 part story line. They were planned to come out, pretty much like they have, with parts 4-6 first, then the prequels, then the last three were to be the coda for the Luke and Leia generation and what their off spring does.

Perhaps Lucas ran out of gas, or simply decided that the criticism-valid, IMO, of the prequels took his heart out of it a little.
- Jsaquella

Beat me to it.

It's time. GID HOLMBURGLAR!
- Flyskippy

Reach...

maybe its because of my surviving the 80's south jersey air pollution fiasco but for some reason I feel as tho Laughton will be just as good as couturier. I know completely unfounded in reality but a nagging notion in my crawl.
- JoeRussomanno

ARE YOU (frank)ING HI?

Still don't like Episode III. All 3 have their moments (few, though they be) - mostly because Ewan McGregor is a good actor - but we didn't really need the backstory when they could have just moved the story forward.

According to Mark Hamill, this was something George kicked around - and I remember him (George) talking about doing Episodes VII - IX in Time Magazine back in 1980 after TESB came out. The "plan" then was to take 3 years off then start working on Episode I, which would mean Episode I would come out in 1989 -- 10 years ahead of actual events. The movie would have been less-CGI influenced which would have forced creativity the way the original series was made. So, Episodes II & III would have been released in 1992 and 1995 (instead of 2002 & 2005), with Episode VII ready to go in 2001, VIII in 2004, and IX in 2007. We should be so over it by now.
- Flyskippy

If Disney can pull off the next trilogy which I'm 60/40 against at this point, I will be over it. Otherwise.

I agree for OEL is a no brainer but judging from Maloney's price for Yandle, it won't just be Couturier plus a pick, if OEL is available at all which is very unlikely. I am not saying you, but there seems to be the perception that Couturier is interchangeable with Laughton, or that B. Schenn is better when he is a year older and playing with much better line mates. Couturier plus something reasonable for OEL makes sense. Couturier for Subban or Yandle, no way.
- psuhockey

Well, absolutely. I'd be willing to discuss a deal for OEL, but if it's too much, then forget it.

I'm still of the mind that they could be perfectly OK with getting a solid top 4 puck mover for next year, and be patient in replacing Timonen as the "number one defenseman"

Let's face it, it's very unlikely Holmgren hasn't been kicking tires on all sorts of defensemen. Extending Timonen for a year was likely as much a matter of buying time as anything else

maybe its because of my surviving the 80's south jersey air pollution fiasco but for some reason I feel as tho Laughton will be just as good as couturier. I know completely unfounded in reality but a nagging notion in my crawl.
- JoeRussomanno

laughton will never have couts' hands or size. may prove to be a little grittier down the road.

ARE YOU (frank)ING HI?
- jak521

I can't explain it and to answer your question, no...

Split the difference: 2 years

Either way, it's just for the sake of debate. There's no way that will be what the lineup looks like in 3-4 years. It was just to give what I thought to be a framework idea for what the team could look like if Couts was traded for a young #1 dman.
- NickTheKid87

getting that plyr would be one of the building blocks to be a real cup threat

maybe its because of my surviving the 80's south jersey air pollution fiasco but for some reason I feel as tho Laughton will be just as good as couturier. I know completely unfounded in reality but a nagging notion in my crawl.
- JoeRussomanno

I don't think he will be....He'll be a really solid third liner. I'm thinking Ron Sutter.

Couturier I see as being much more. I really do see Couturier being a 20-25 goal guy, who can notch 65 points and be a Selke winner.