He just stole the last one.
- Feanor

instead of being up by 3 on the rangers, they're now trailing by 1 with the rangers having three games in hand. this is a big loss, and an totally unacceptable effort. the rangers, btw, did nothing special to win, except score on every bad self inflicted mistake the flyers made. they beat themselves.
- hammarby31

2 of the last 3 rags goals were a result of bad changes, the other a bad pinch.

Oy.

Exactly right.

They defense sucks ass in terms of transition and you have them continously exposed against tight checking teams. Why is that?

I think blaming the system is far too short sighted. They lose because they get outworked along the boards in the gritty game. They lost this game in the trenches as far as I am concerned. That falls on hard work.

The other reason they lose against such teams? Goaltending and stupidity are absolutely huge. If Bryzgalov makes a big save like Henrik did throughout the game they could still be in it. If the horrific line changes dont happen because of individual stupid mistakes.

Jesus Murray Christ could come in here and make them a defensive minded team. Still doesnt change the fact that they are poop, simply because they are poop. They need better players, especially on that horrific back end.
- flyer_nutter

Hard work makes up for lack of talent.
Talbot looks like he's gliding with his head in the clouds, while in the offensive zone.
Briere keeps slowing down entering the zone, causing offsides and/or unforced turnovers.
Gervais is Gervais.
Guys go out of position for who knows why, leaving guys wide open!
Are they all lazy? Absolutely not. But there are more examples of guys not showing up, or playing half speed most of the game until its too late

I honestly don't even think a coaching change would do anything. This is just a bad team.

Which is why they need to jettison whatever they can for youth/picks at this point.

They're not well coached, unfortunately. As far as being able to spur them and motivate them in game, he's fine. But when it comes to making adjustments and limiting mistakes, there's just nothing going on.

We're not talking about a guy mis-reading on a lot of these mistakes, it's basic hockey stuff that would get an atom player a seat on the bench and a talking to.
- Jsaquella

Exactly. This team is so poor right now. It clearly is not well Coached.

lol one loss and it's chickens/ heads/lava/kimmo/freakouts
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Murray benches guys that make stupid mistakes. Laviolette increases their ice times.
- Jsaquella

it was nice to see the captain meandering back on the 3rd goal against

maybe he can change them to (frank)ing change properly... That cost them a few games
- Philly1980

Long term, do you want this team switching the identity yet again and becoming a tight checking team?

Lavy's "system" requires a lot more effort from the forwards, all game every game. It also needs speed throughout the lineup for it to be effective. We don't have the speed this year, and we're not getting the consistent high energy forecheck, and ferocious back checking every night. Bottom line is this team isn't built to play as aggressively as Lavy wants them to play, and they are simply not able to execute his game plan well on a consistent basis.

If you don't have the horses to play a certain style, at some point you have to change styles. Or you're going to lose a lot of games.
- BringBack25

You just said it best my friend... His system leaves us exposed...he needs to fix it

Yes, it is go, go, go. The defense is NHL caliber. Put this defense on a team that plays the right way, with support, and checks in all 3 zones. And Coaching can and has corrected errors made by players. Especially when it's the same ones over and over.

The Flyers clearly came out in the 3rd, looking to be more aggressive. Undoubtedly done because the Coach wanted them to push to create more 5 on 5 offense.
- MJL

Murray is the answer. He will transform Gustafsson, and Gervais and all the other 7th defensemen into Larry Robinson.

lol one loss and it's chickens/ heads/lava/kimmo/freakouts
- Don'tForgetTocchet

It's not just one loss, it's getting owned over and over again by teams like the rangers , devils and bruins who they haven't even played yet

lol one loss and it's chickens/ heads/lava/kimmo/freakouts
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Seems that way

Lavy's "system" requires a lot more effort from the forwards, all game every game. It also needs speed throughout the lineup for it to be effective. We don't have the speed this year, and we're not getting the consistent high energy forecheck, and ferocious back checking every night. Bottom line is this team isn't built to play as aggressively as Lavy wants them to play, and they are simply not able to execute his game plan well on a consistent basis.

If you don't have the horses to play a certain style, at some point you have to change styles. Or you're going to lose a lot of games.
- BringBack25

I don't necessarily disagree with this theoretically. But what is happening out there is not due to a lack of the right players. It's simply due to a lack of structure, and attention to detail.

He just stole the last one.
- Feanor

Absolutely. Easily could've been blown out in the first.

The thing is this though.

Who on that back end had a good game? What do you want Lava to do with that?

Coburn has had a career defined by being streaky. Kimmo is aging, and there is a reason Gervais is what he is. Nobody is going to come in here and improve the players. The management has built a sack of poop team on D, and the goaltending is back to questionable.
- flyer_nutter

The bad line and D changes are on the coaches. That's one of the things I want them to change. Too many men penalties are also on the coaches, and we must lead the league in those.

I don't think this is a sack of poop team. It is however a team that will not be very successful playing this system.

I love this place, that is all

Murray is the answer. He will transform Gustafsson, and Gervais and all the other 7th defensemen into Larry Robinson.
- PLindbergh31

No that won't happen but he might get forwards to back heck and the team to conduct s simple line change

Yea that is kinda silly okay you get a mulligan but our (frank)ing team lost to the rags man!
- JoeRussomanno

eh im use to it

fire Paul Holmgren, he created the roster
- watsonnostaw

Murray benches guys that make stupid mistakes. Laviolette increases their ice times.
- Jsaquella

Personally I am of the belief that some players are just better than others for a reason.

A coach cannot make a stupid player, a smart one by giving them a talk.

For the young kids it helps sure. The larger problem for me, is that it is the veterans on this team that have been making huge mistakes all season.

I dont see the need to panic, this season was a poop show from day one with the D core that was thrown together. It needs to be improved FIRST AND FOREMOST.

Long term, do you want this team switching the identity yet again and becoming a tight checking team?
- flyer_nutter

Tight checking is more suited to playoff style hockey...if the players can't pick up a new system in a month then they don't deserve to be in the nhl

No that won't happen but he might get forwards to back heck and the team to conduct s simple line change
- JoeRussomanno

The line changes are brutal, as are all the too many men penalties.

Murray is the answer. He will transform Gustafsson, and Gervais and all the other 7th defensemen into Larry Robinson.
- PLindbergh31

Murray would correct the fundamental flaws of this team over time and get them playing the right way. And he would provide the team basis and support, so that players like Gervais and Gustafsson will be less exposed and less vulnerable due to an improved team game.

Yes, it is go, go, go. The defense is NHL caliber. Put this defense on a team that plays the right way, with support, and checks in all 3 zones. And Coaching can and has corrected errors made by players. Especially when it's the same ones over and over.

The Flyers clearly came out in the 3rd, looking to be more aggressive. Undoubtedly done because the Coach wanted them to push to create more 5 on 5 offense.
- MJL

No offense, but I am going to just stop here.

I think the D-core that was on the ice for this game, and most of this season, is a sack of poop.

Murray would correct the fundamental flaws of this team over time and get them playing the right way. And he would provide the team basis and support, so that players like Gervais and Gustafsson will be less exposed and less vulnerable due to an improved team game.
- MJL

Perhaps. Maybe Murray will beat the Rangers and Devils every few months as well.

Calm down, tough guy. Nash will beat a lot of goalies with shots from that position.
- Feanor

Let's take inventory here....

We have a) a 3-2 odd man disadvantage with G not in good backchecking position, b) 3 guys coming at us with LOTS of speed, where one of those guys has the puck, and he just happens to be a top flight player in the NHL, and c) this prime scorer fires a hard, low stick side shot from a high percentage shooting area

And here are, crucifying Bryz