I get that but I mean what's the difference between developing 2 forwards then trading 1 for a dman and developing a forward and a dman?
- NickTheKid87

And the issue isn't that the Flyers don't develop good dmen, it's that they don't DRAFT them in the first place. It's not an issue of patience but more scouting and/or ideology.

Not true. Goalies and dmen of the elite caliber are rarer and harder to obtain than forwards...
- phillydentist

They are also harder to find them in the draft. Some of the best goalies in the league were drafted outside of the 1st round, defensemen too.

That being said, we're drafting Max Domi.
- NickTheKid87

They should get this kid though.... great hands...for a defenseman.

And the issue isn't that the Flyers don't develop good dmen, it's that they don't DRAFT them in the first place. It's not an issue of patience but more scouting and/or ideology.
- phillydentist

I understand that but it's not like they have been wasting 1st rounders. Their track record with forwards has been great. Hard to complain.

They are also harder to find them in the draft. Some of the best goalies in the league were drafted outside of the 1st round, defensemen too.
- NickTheKid87

Right and that's why I said I'd rather have the Rangers scenario of having home grown goalie and dmen and buying forwards vs the Flyers way.

They should get this kid though.... great hands...for a defenseman.


- Philly1980

That was pretty

Right and that's why I said I'd rather have the Rangers scenario of having home grown goalie and dmen and buying forwards.
- phillydentist

I guess, but that hasn't really worked out for them either. Those big 3 guys haven't been all that good and last year they couldn't score in the playoffs to save their lives. Their PP is awful too.

That was pretty

- NickTheKid87

Fail for RASMUS....

Fail for RASMUS....
- Philly1980

One mock draft has him going 14th so we might not have to suck that much!

I guess, but that hasn't really worked out for them either. Those big 3 guys haven't been all that good and last year they couldn't score in the playoffs to save their lives. Their PP is awful too.
- NickTheKid87

The thing is I won't be surprised at all if NYR did a LAK run this year and win it all. They don't have a Drew Doughty but they have all the other pieces that LA had. They are at least closer to being a Cup winnner/contender makeupwise than the Flyers are.

One mock draft has him going 14th so we might not have to suck that much!
- NickTheKid87

Heres the scouting report

One of the best defensemen of his age group, Ristolainen is a top-prospect for the 2013 NHL Draft. He is a calm player with good two-way ability and a mature style of play, though his defensive awareness still needs work. Ristolainen moves the puck with confidence and though he's not a big-time hitter, he plays the body and likes to get physical in front of the net. He also has good mobility. Ristolainen has an excellent frame and has gained a lot of strength while playing in SM-liiga. He is good with the puck and solid defensively, but has also displayed ability to work the powerplay. (Matias Strozyk, 2012)

* elite prosepects

Maybe Voracek would like to play along side Malkin, when your team starts unloading everyone send Voracek our way. Im sure we will give you a 7th or 8th rounder for him.

Right and that's why I said I'd rather have the Rangers scenario of having home grown goalie and dmen and buying forwards vs the Flyers way.
- phillydentist

Luck plays a role, too. Lundqvist was a late rounder. Girardi was an undrafted free agent. McDonagh was acquired in the Gomez trade.

The thing is I won't be surprised at all if NYR did a LAK run this year and win it all. They don't have a Drew Doughty but they have all the other pieces that LA had. They are at least closer to being a Cup winnner/contender makeupwise than the Flyers are.
- phillydentist

I agree with that. I think the Rags have the best team on paper and I could easily seem them going on a run in the playoffs. I really hope they don't though.

Maybe Voracek would like to play along side Malkin, when your team starts unloading everyone send Voracek our way. Im sure we will give you a 7th or 8th rounder for him.
- nbartley9

I thought it smelled funny in here....welcome to our misery..

Maybe Voracek would like to play along side Malkin, when your team starts unloading everyone send Voracek our way. Im sure we will give you a 7th or 8th rounder for him.
- nbartley9

beat it troll breath

Maybe Voracek would like to play along side Malkin, when your team starts unloading everyone send Voracek our way. Im sure we will give you a 7th or 8th rounder for him.
- nbartley9

Letang, Neal, 1st for Voracek

Heres the scouting report

* elite prosepects
- Philly1980

he's not a big-time hitter

Can never play here.

Luck plays a role, too. Lundqvist was a late rounder. Girardi was an undrafted free agent. McDonagh was acquired in the Gomez trade.
- Jsaquella

No doubt but it says something about the Flyers that they haven't had much good luck with drafting dmen in their entire history.

I still like Ian White, and he's out of favor in Detroit.

Stick to the patchwork plan. No panic moves. See how it plays out.
- bradleyc4

in the right role, he'd be an upgrade...if PHO would trade us OEL for couts + a reasonable add on, I'd do it...other than a similar value, I'm w/ you...

Maybe Voracek would like to play along side Malkin, when your team starts unloading everyone send Voracek our way. Im sure we will give you a 7th or 8th rounder for him.
- nbartley9

The Flyers have never subscribed to the "Let's dump everyone and suck for 5 straight years so we can draft in the top five and all the while hold the state and city hostage with threats of moving to Kansas City for a new arena" theory

in the right role, he'd be an upgrade...if PHO would trade us OEL for couts + a reasonable add on, I'd do it...other than a similar value, I'm w/ you...
- isaiah520

i don't see a single, reasonable scenario where the Flyers trade Couturier for a defenseman, and are a better team in the next 3-5 years because of it.

The Flyers have never subscribed to the "Let's dump everyone and suck for 5 straight years so we can draft in the top five and all the while hold the state and city hostage with threats of moving to Kansas City for a new arena" theory
- Jsaquella

I thought it was Vegas OR Kansas City? .....

i don't see a single, reasonable scenario where the Flyers trade Couturier for a defenseman, and are a better team because of it.
- bradleyc4

Nor do I.

Honestly.. I think a lot of teams are gonna be asking for Wayne Simmonds.

I thought it was Vegas OR Kansas City? .....
- jak521

I remember a Pens' fan coming on here saying he wanted to trade Letang for Eberle and I couldn't figure out why.