- Philly1980

such a great movie.

Not I. Even if Schenn doesn't get any better and JVR turns into a 35 goal scorer, I wouldn't be upset. I don't judge trades based on hindsight. At the time it was a fair trade and that's all I will ever judge it on. Same goes for the Patrick Sharp trade, etc.
- NickTheKid87

let's not get carried away...and how else can someone judge a trade other than hindsight? of course, it is essential to understand the thinking behind it/ circumstances and not just point to failures w/o any background, but...

I think maybe you should watch the play again and envision him still on his feet and maybe your opinion will change. It's not 100% that there isn't a pass and a goal but he eliminated himself completely.

This isn't the first time he's done this ya know? He's becoming a serial flopper and that's what's making me nuts. There's a time and place for that play and he just doesn't know when that is yet.

It's also my pet peeve. I got into an exchange with Bill over the exact same play Coburn made several games ago so it's not Schenn I'm crucifying in particular although he had probably the worst game I've seen him play this season.
- mayorofangrytown

I watched the play about 5 times on my DVR last night. Yes, he could have tried to stay on his feet and make a play. The problem was he wasn't in position to do so because he was skating full speed at Callahan coming from the direction of the bench. Had he been in "normal" position, I would agree that he made a bad play. In this case, he was racing from the bench to try to get in position and had to make a split second decision. Did he make the wrong one? Maybe, but it's certainly not clear that he could have done anything else to break up that rush.

Again, the real culprit on that play was the poor change. Schenn, or any of our d-men for that matter, should never be put in that position. If we can't execute a simple D pair change without giving up an odd man rush, we're toast whether our D stay on their feet or flop in that situation.

such a great movie.
- hammarby31

I try i try LOL...

The Flyers do it more than any other team I believe. Although admittedly I watch the Flyers all the time I do try to catch two games a day if possible. I don't like sitting there yelling "Get the hell up!!!!" at my TV while I'm watching a hockey game.
- mayorofangrytown

just like they always lose the SO, never score EN goals, never get shots off on oddman rushes, and are the worst team ever in clearing their own zone. i have mountains of statistical evidence to prove this.

That goal to me is all on B.Schenn. If he gets the puck deep with under a minute to play, there is no bad change, no ridiculous slide by Luke, and no lack of poke check by Bryz. The Flyers walk into intermission with a 1 goal lead. There is a disconnect right now between forwards, defenseemen, and the coaches because this wasn't the first time for a bad turnover during a defense pair change. It actually happend a few times in last years playoffs too against Pittsburgh that I can specifically remember. And if my memory serves me right, the Briere, Schenn, and Smmonds line was on the ice then when Jordan Staal scored.
- psuhockey

Agreed.

I watched the play about 5 times on my DVR last night. Yes, he could have tried to stay on his feet and make a play. The problem was he wasn't in position to do so because he was skating full speed at Callahan coming from the direction of the bench. Had he been in "normal" position, I would agree that he made a bad play. In this case, he was racing from the bench to try to get in position and had to make a split second decision. Did he make the wrong one? Maybe, but it's certainly not clear that he could have done anything else to break up that rush.

Again, the real culprit on that play was the poor change. Schenn, or any of our d-men for that matter, should never be put in that position. If we can't execute a simple D pair change without giving up an odd man rush, we're toast whether our D stay on their feet or flop in that situation.
- BringBack25

i watched the nash shot from the circle about 5 times. i kept thinking, bryz looked like a goalie from the 60's, just throwing his leg out, too deep in his net. i think this is a game we all need to erase...

I watched the play about 5 times on my DVR last night. Yes, he could have tried to stay on his feet and make a play. The problem was he wasn't in position to do so because he was skating full speed at Callahan coming from the direction of the bench. Had he been in "normal" position, I would agree that he made a bad play. In this case, he was racing from the bench to try to get in position and had to make a split second decision. Did he make the wrong one? Maybe, but it's certainly not clear that he could have done anything else to break up that rush.

Again, the real culprit on that play was the poor change. Schenn, or any of our d-men for that matter, should never be put in that position. If we can't execute a simple D pair change without giving up an odd man rush, we're toast whether our D stay on their feet or flop in that situation.
- BringBack25

all true. and just once i'd like to see bryz push/slide and make a save on a guy driving the net like that, instead of getting schooled. he's been very good for them this year, but he's been burned repeatedly in similar situations and others (blocker side) that aren't getting corrected.

i watched the nash shot from the circle about 5 times. i kept thinking, bryz looked like a goalie from the 60's, just throwing his leg out, too deep in his net. i think this is a game we all need to erase...
- isaiah520

he was at the top of the crease - at least i think he was - he just didn't react.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/sportsnet-presents-exclusive-interviews-with-chris-pronger-and-donald-fehr/
- Philly1980

timmy's gotta' be pissed he didn't get this.

all true. and just once i'd like to see bryz push/slide and make a save on a guy driving the net like that, instead of getting schooled. he's been very good for them this year, but he's been burned repeatedly in similar situations and others (blocker side) that aren't getting corrected.
- hammarby31

It's the only two big issues I have with Bryz's game, breakaways and wrap-arounds/in-close dekes or moves.

I watched the play about 5 times on my DVR last night. Yes, he could have tried to stay on his feet and make a play. The problem was he wasn't in position to do so because he was skating full speed at Callahan coming from the direction of the bench. Had he been in "normal" position, I would agree that he made a bad play. In this case, he was racing from the bench to try to get in position and had to make a split second decision. Did he make the wrong one? Maybe, but it's certainly not clear that he could have done anything else to break up that rush.

Again, the real culprit on that play was the poor change. Schenn, or any of our d-men for that matter, should never be put in that position. If we can't execute a simple D pair change without giving up an odd man rush, we're toast whether our D stay on their feet or flop in that situation.
- BringBack25

I'm sticking with my don't flop stance. You're going to have to accept it and love me despite it and your obvious sexual attraction to Luke Schenn.

if the flyers make a coaching change, i'd rather they choose murray than paddock. i KNOW murray can teach systems and improve our D zone play at the NHL level.

i watched the nash shot from the circle about 5 times. i kept thinking, bryz looked like a goalie from the 60's, just throwing his leg out, too deep in his net. i think this is a game we all need to erase...
- isaiah520

Wasn't he well outside the crease, cutting down the angle (or attempting to)?

Personally, I'm surprised he wasn't down into the butterfly, considering how quickly he usually drops.

let's not get carried away...and how else can someone judge a trade other than hindsight? of course, it is essential to understand the thinking behind it/ circumstances and not just point to failures w/o any background, but...
- isaiah520

It's not fair to judge something in hindsight. When the Sharp trade was made it was a minor move. Chicago got lucky that Sharp panned out. That's all.

Now, a trade like Zhitnik for Coburn is a very different story. That is a good trade for the Flyers because they got rid of an average veteran for a 21 year old former top 10 pick. Even if Coburn doesn't pan out, that's still a good trade to make.

Most people will never view things like that but that's really how they should be viewed, IMO.

And could our best player please get at least one shot on goal? Please. Shouldn't everyone on the team be aware that he needs to get shots and maybe get him the puck in proper positions?

I know the PP has been pretty good and they scored twice on it last night but maybe they might want to mix in a different play than give the puck to Giroux on the side boards then stand there waiting for him to try to beat the defenseman and forward on that side when they press him. I mean, I think other teams have figured this out.

all true. and just once i'd like to see bryz push/slide and make a save on a guy driving the net like that, instead of getting schooled. he's been very good for them this year, but he's been burned repeatedly in similar situations and others (blocker side) that aren't getting corrected.
- hammarby31

He can't poke check either. I'd rather see him try to make the save instead of trying to knock the puck away.

I'm sticking with my don't flop stance. You're going to have to accept it and love me despite it and your obvious sexual attraction to Luke Schenn.

- mayorofangrytown

Once again you are so far off base it's not even funny. My attraction is, and always has been, for you MOAT. I wouldn't give Luke the time of day.

And could our best player please get at least one shot on goal? Please. Shouldn't everyone on the team be aware that he needs to get shots and maybe get him the puck in proper positions?

I know the PP has been pretty good and they scored twice on it last night but maybe they might want to mix in a different play than give the puck to Giroux on the side boards then stand there waiting for him to try to beat the defenseman and forward on that side when they press him. I mean, I think other teams have figured this out.
- mayorofangrytown

If the powerplay is scoring than it is irrelevant as to who is taking shots. I don't want Giroux to shot for the sake of shooting, I'd like him to shoot when it's most opportune. Sometimes he looks for the pass too often but that we've heard that story before.

Wasn't he well outside the crease, cutting down the angle (or attempting to)?

Personally, I'm surprised he wasn't down into the butterfly, considering how quickly he usually drops.
- tangent_man

Maybe he's hurt?

And could our best player please get at least one shot on goal? Please. Shouldn't everyone on the team be aware that he needs to get shots and maybe get him the puck in proper positions?

I know the PP has been pretty good and they scored twice on it last night but maybe they might want to mix in a different play than give the puck to Giroux on the side boards then stand there waiting for him to try to beat the defenseman and forward on that side when they press him. I mean, I think other teams have figured this out.
- mayorofangrytown

Can anyone on this team actually pass? Because last night it seemed not.

Wasn't he well outside the crease, cutting down the angle (or attempting to)?

Personally, I'm surprised he wasn't down into the butterfly, considering how quickly he usually drops.
- tangent_man

no, he was still in the crease. butterfly might have stopped the shot

He can't poke check either. I'd rather see him try to make the save instead of trying to knock the puck away.
- NickTheKid87

it's remarkable. i can't recall a single successful poke check. every time he's attempted it, it's resulted in a goal. either 5-hole or going around him. they need to hire johnny bower on a special consulting gig for this.

If the powerplay is scoring than it is irrelevant as to who is taking shots. I don't want Giroux to shot for the sake of shooting, I'd like him to shoot when it's most opportune. Sometimes he looks for the pass too often but that we've heard that story before.
- NickTheKid87

Those were actually two separate thoughts on the same player.

But, big game at MSG I'd like to see Giroux get a couple shots on goal ya know.

Can anyone on this team actually pass? Because last night it seemed not.
- bodiva88

brutal last night. they couldn't possess the puck for more than 2 seconds without giving it up. so frustrating.