Asked my daughter's magic 8 ball if lava was going to get fired it said, "my sources say no" and if Flyers would make the playoffs, "outlook is good." I think that answers everything, we just need some faith in the old magic 8 ball.

I agree will MJL's write up about last night.

I like Lava and think he is a good coach, but think he has lost this team. Can't fire the whole team, but the you can fire the coach. Only concern with that is if the players don't get it together it won't matter who the coach is.

Bad move though. Carter Richards and jvr right now would have you top 4 at least
- #71 & #87 R HOCKEY

Considering the guys we got for Carter and Richards are outproducing them, I'd have to go ahead and call bullpoop.

Solid hockey is a very broad term.
- flyer_nutter

Not really. Just refer to my previous posts and it's pretty clear how I expect a team to play.

Not really. Just refer to my previous posts and it's pretty clear how I expect a team to play.
- MJL

In that case I hope Murray or Paddock can live up to those pretty clear expectations.

In that case I hope Murray or Paddock can live up to those expectations.
- flyer_nutter

It's not that hard to get this team moving in the right direction on playing the right way. I could make some simple changes that could do that. That's how bad it is right now.

You tell me. I am not the one advocating for a coaching change.
- flyer_nutter

My expectations heading into the season were for them to be a 5-8 seed and make the playoffs. That is in danger of not happening. The roster is not as deep or talented as Boston or Chicago, but it is more talented than Ottawa and New Jersey.

My expectations in a coaching change, using Murray or Paddock as an example, would be a far greater commitment to defense-not becoming the 1995 Devils or turning them into a Jacques Lemaire style team-and more accountability and disciplined play.

Those things may not make them a playoff team this season, but the young foundation needs to know that they will have to be responsible, disciplined players moving forward, with whomever the coach is.

Still early for draft talk but Rasmus Ristolainen looks like one impressive kid

http://www.mynhldraft.com...ofiles/Rasmus-Ristolainen

Still early for draft talk but Rasmus Ristolainen looks like one impressive kid

http://www.mynhldraft.com...ofiles/Rasmus-Ristolainen
- ob18

Yeah, he's really making a push to go in the top 7, maybe top 5.

Yeah, he's really making a push to go in the top 7, maybe top 5.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, I have to now find out out Madison Bowey of Kelowna

My expectations heading into the season were for them to be a 5-8 seed and make the playoffs. That is in danger of not happening. The roster is not as deep or talented as Boston or Chicago, but it is more talented than Ottawa and New Jersey.

My expectations in a coaching change, using Murray or Paddock as an example, would be a far greater commitment to defense-not becoming the 1995 Devils or turning them into a Jacques Lemaire style team-and more accountability and disciplined play.

Those things may not make them a playoff team this season, but the young foundation needs to know that they will have to be responsible, disciplined players moving forward, with whomever the coach is.
- Jsaquella

And they'll be a better team and better players in the long run for it. There is this belief of some that you can't be a top offensive team and take advantage of the offensive talent on a team, if you play well defensively. And demand it from your players. Simply not the case.

My expectations heading into the season were for them to be a 5-8 seed and make the playoffs. That is in danger of not happening. The roster is not as deep or talented as Boston or Chicago, but it is more talented than Ottawa and New Jersey.

My expectations in a coaching change, using Murray or Paddock as an example, would be a far greater commitment to defense-not becoming the 1995 Devils or turning them into a Jacques Lemaire style team-and more accountability and disciplined play.

Those things may not make them a playoff team this season, but the young foundation needs to know that they will have to be responsible, disciplined players moving forward, with whomever the coach is.
- Jsaquella

I really hope that works out. If Lava is indeed fired, then you would hope that is what they learn from it.

Part of me just thinks its too good to be true however.

Still early for draft talk but Rasmus Ristolainen looks like one impressive kid

http://www.mynhldraft.com...ofiles/Rasmus-Ristolainen
- ob18

Enough to jump Zadorov?

Enough to jump Zadorov?
- flyer_nutter

Uh yes but not at all by much.

And they'll be a better team and better players in the long run for it. There is this belief of some that you can't be a top offensive team and take advantage of the offensive talent on a team, if you play well defensively. And demand it from your players. Simply not the case.
- MJL

I agree with that-teams can use good defensive play to transition to offense. Both New Jersey and New York did that last year. Chicago is doing it this year, in a different way than NJ did, but they're still a very sound defensive team.

Considering the guys we got for Carter and Richards are outproducing them, I'd have to go ahead and call bullpoop.
- Jsaquella

I hate when Sam Carchidi posts here.

I agree with that-teams can use good defensive play to transition to offense. Both New Jersey and New York did that last year. Chicago is doing it this year, in a different way than NJ did, but they're still a very sound defensive team.
- Jsaquella

This team playing the system and style of any of those teams, and even include Boston and Montreal, would be a very good team.

I really hope that works out. If Lava is indeed fired, then you would hope that is what they learn from it.

Part of me just thinks its too good to be true however.
- flyer_nutter

Would be a mistake to fire Laviolette in favor of the options being discussed. Shortened season, a roster that wasn't great to begin with (specifically the defense) has been hurt by injuries.

I would give Laviolette the start of next season with a full camp and hopefully some sound additions to the roster.

I really hope that works out. If Lava is indeed fired, then you would hope that is what they learn from it.

Part of me just thinks its too good to be true however.
- flyer_nutter

Why is that? If there's one thing that Murray has done in his coaching career it's to instill discipline and solid two way play into his teams.

People want to shred him for his shortcomings, then say they'd be surprised if his strengths as a coach will be effective. Ask the Kings if Murray's work making them into a responsible and disciplined defensive team was a factor in their Stanley Cup run.

Uh yes but not at all by much.
- ob18

Drouin your #1 yet?

Would be a mistake to fire Laviolette in favor of the options being discussed. Shortened season, a roster that wasn't great to begin with (specifically the defense) has been hurt by injuries.

I would give Laviolette the start of next season with a full camp and hopefully some sound additions to the roster.
- PLindbergh31

I disagree. I'll use your own stat against you:

Flyers vs NJ and NYR this season and last: 4-17-1

Laviolette has shown either no desire or ability to make adjustments to his system to counter well coached teams in his division. His adjustments to make his system more effective with the team on hand have not been very effective.

I'd love to see him turn it around. But I have little faith he will

I hate when Sam Carchidi posts here.
- Flyskippy

I once saw Carchidi drinking wine at 9 am on a Sunday morning, and he calls out Richards & Carter.



Granted, it was at church, but the man's an alcoholic

I disagree. I'll use your own stat against you:

Flyers vs NJ and NYR this season and last: 4-17-1

Laviolette has shown either no desire or ability to make adjustments to his system to counter well coached teams in his division. His adjustments to make his system more effective with the team on hand have not been very effective.

I'd love to see him turn it around. But I have little faith he will
- Jsaquella

It's been a miserable struggle against NJ and NYR no question. Doesn't seem as if there are very many adjustments made, if any. That said, Laviolette had them within 2 games of the pinnacle, as well as winning a playoff series last year vs. a heavily favored Penguins team.

Say Murray takes over with 15 games to go this year, and the team goes 5-8-2, and misses the playoffs, who is the coach next year?

There just isn't many better options out there than a guy who has coached in 2 SCF winning one.

I once saw Carchidi drinking wine at 9 am on a Sunday morning, and he calls out Richards & Carter.



Granted, it was at church, but the man's an alcoholic
- Jsaquella

It all makes sense now....

I once saw Carchidi drinking wine at 9 am on a Sunday morning, and he calls out Richards & Carter.



Granted, it was at church, but the man's an alcoholic
- Jsaquella

He follows TP and RM so much, he went full Yinzard.

It's been a miserable struggle against NJ and NYR no question. Doesn't seem as if there are very many adjustments made, if any. That said, Laviolette had them within 2 games of the pinnacle, as well as winning a playoff series last year vs. a heavily favored Penguins team.

Say Murray takes over with 15 games to go this year, and the team goes 5-8-2, and misses the playoffs, who is the coach next year?

There just isn't many better options out there than a guy who has coached in 2 SCF winning one.
- PLindbergh31

Every coach has his strengths and weaknesses. Murray was fired in LA for a reason, even though they were playing solid D. You just don't know how coaches are going to do in different situations. The Flyers have not played consistently good hockey for years even before Laviolette.

Even if they change coaches, it's not going to solve everything. Murray will have his own weaknesses that will come out over time.

What happens if Philly hires Murray and then they can't beat Pittsburgh? Good god.