I think the offers have probably sucked (i.e. a career AHLer or a 4th round pick). I think by the deadline they should try hard to deal him to get something for him because they gotta buy him out anyway.
- NickTheKid87

Wait, I thought we could get Boychuck for him?

Fire Stevens
- Winning

Hire Stevens. Trade for Carter.

I know, but I worry that at his age, maybe the Flyers gambled too much and rushed to get a deal done. And at that cap his...
- Flyers_V88

His cap hit is less next year than it is this year.

It's a double sided blade. If they don't re-sign him, there's nobody as good as him out there, and they'd very likely be paying as much to a lesser veteran-and probably on a multi-year deal

Also, it allows them time to make a trade. Rather than absolutely having to replace Timonen this summer, they have time to wait for a good trade.

My one complaint is the timing. They could have waited until after the deadline to sign the deal, just in case a better deal came along, as doubtful as that is.

Murray is a good teaching coach and every player on the Kings gave him a ton of credit for his work last year. Pretty much to a man they said that the defensive system and teaching he did was a big reason they won the Stanley Cup.

Neither Murray or Paddock is Scotty Bowman, but both are good teaching coaches that will instill the habit of good two way play into young players.
- Jsaquella

While I completely agree with your assessment of Murray, I truly don't think he would be the right fit for this team. I'd honestly rather see Lindy Ruff than Murray. I'd worry too much that the Flyers would literally turn into a less-gifted LA team... (as in tons of talent on the roster, virtually no offensive game).

People forget that LA was one of the lowest scoring teams last year and they're arguably one of the best teams on paper in the league. Keep Lavi, I really think he has it in him to turn this ship.

I think the offers have probably sucked (i.e. a career AHLer or a 4th round pick). I think by the deadline they should try hard to deal him to get something for him because they gotta buy him out anyway.
- NickTheKid87

I think it's more that trading Briere sends a message that you're throwing in the towel.

They'll ride it out, and see where they are in a couple weeks.

It sort of reminds me of the Eagles signing Nnamdi Asomugha. They gave him a big contract and then made him play zone when he was an All-pro playing man-to-man. Nnamdi wasn't utilized correctly and I'm starting to think the same for Bryz.
- NickTheKid87

Exactly i dont think Lavy is molding his system to the talent or percieved lack of talent that he has...This by the way, is a very talented team.

His cap hit is less next year than it is this year.

It's a double sided blade. If they don't re-sign him, there's nobody as good as him out there, and they'd very likely be paying as much to a lesser veteran-and probably on a multi-year deal

Also, it allows them time to make a trade. Rather than absolutely having to replace Timonen this summer, they have time to wait for a good trade.

My one complaint is the timing. They could have waited until after the deadline to sign the deal, just in case a better deal came along, as doubtful as that is.
- Jsaquella

Agreed on the timing, I guess that's truly my issue. Why not wait until the very end so every aspect and variable can be evalutated.

Agreed. People fail to realize that the players have to manage the game on-ice, and that yes, Lavi's system isn't well-suited for teams like the Rangers, but to me, the Flyers looked too flat at times last night, and I think get caught up in games where they're being tightly checked and contested. I think Lavi is part of the problem, but he cannot be blamed for all of this.
- Flyers_V88

Your right i think its 50/50....Its easier to fire 1 guy then it is 20.

Im not giving up but boy, this team could really benefit in the long run from being sellers this year.
- hereticpride

selling means moving vets and bringing in picks and young players for the most part, right? Honestly, what do the Flyers have to sell that doesn't have a NTC/NMC? Fedotenko? Knuble? Not getting much, if anything, there.

I think it's more that trading Briere sends a message that you're throwing in the towel.

They'll ride it out, and see where they are in a couple weeks.
- Jsaquella

I agree. I would wait until at or near the deadline to make a decision.

Hire Stevens. Trade for Carter.
- Moose_15

More Like Fire Lavy, bring in Murray.

While I completely agree with your assessment of Murray, I truly don't think he would be the right fit for this team. I'd honestly rather see Lindy Ruff than Murray. I'd worry too much that the Flyers would literally turn into a less-gifted LA team... (as in tons of talent on the roster, virtually no offensive game).

People forget that LA was one of the lowest scoring teams last year and they're arguably one of the best teams on paper in the league. Keep Lavi, I really think he has it in him to turn this ship.
- Flyers_V88

Laviolette's record against NJ and NYR over this season and last, counting playoffs is 4-17-1. I haven't seen an ability to adjust to teams that play a certain style for an extended period of time.

Lindy Ruff, despite his longevity in Buffalo isn't a good choice IMO. Murray(and Paddock) are good teaching coaches, and that's what they need. Don't forget, Murray has had top level offensive talent excel for him-Lindros led the NHL in scoring under Murray, and LeClair had 2 50 goal seasons while he was the coach.

People seem to feel Murray is Jacques Lemaire. He's not. He's a guy that adjusts his style to what he has on hand.

selling means moving vets and bringing in picks and young players for the most part, right? Honestly, what do the Flyers have to sell that doesn't have a NTC/NMC? Fedotenko? Knuble? Not getting much, if anything, there.
- nastyflyergirl

I think Danny boy waves to goto a cotender...if he doesnt im sure the flyers will tell him they will buy him out in the offseason.

- jak521

The bright spot in an otherwise gloomy thread.

Your right i think its 50/50....Its easier to fire 1 guy then it is 20.
- Philly1980

Yeah, I mean don't get me wrong, clearly Lavi has some hand in all of this inconsistent season, but I think he is well-suited for our team and group of guys. We just need better efforts from some players and lines on a more consistent basis.

Maybe Lavi should just let loose and go back to last year's system? The fire-on-all-cylinders approach?

Laviolette's record against NJ and NYR over this season and last, counting playoffs is 4-17-1. I haven't seen an ability to adjust to teams that play a certain style for an extended period of time.

Lindy Ruff, despite his longevity in Buffalo isn't a good choice IMO. Murray(and Paddock) are good teaching coaches, and that's what they need. Don't forget, Murray has had top level offensive talent excel for him-Lindros led the NHL in scoring under Murray, and LeClair had 2 50 goal seasons while he was the coach.

People seem to feel Murray is Jacques Lemaire. He's not. He's a guy that adjusts his style to what he has on hand.
- Jsaquella

I think thats why they brought murray in to keep him close...Murray will be the coach by next week if the flyers loose the next two games.

Callahan always seems to play his best against the Flyers.

Great player and captain.
- Marc D

I know this is a bit of a violation being he is a Ranger but I really really love Callahan a lot.

Laviolette's record against NJ and NYR over this season and last, counting playoffs is 4-17-1. I haven't seen an ability to adjust to teams that play a certain style for an extended period of time.

Lindy Ruff, despite his longevity in Buffalo isn't a good choice IMO. Murray(and Paddock) are good teaching coaches, and that's what they need. Don't forget, Murray has had top level offensive talent excel for him-Lindros led the NHL in scoring under Murray, and LeClair had 2 50 goal seasons while he was the coach.

People seem to feel Murray is Jacques Lemaire. He's not. He's a guy that adjusts his style to what he has on hand.
- Jsaquella

I agree, somewhat, but take a look at those teams... It was only that top line ever. Murray is one of the better defensively sound coaches and has the great ability to adjust. But with this group of guys, just like we perfectly saw illustrated in LA, is that his teams generally are not high scoring, and high-end skilled players do not excel in his system. LA could barely put up 1 goal a game last year under him. He's not the right choice for this team, and I think we would be ill-advised to give him a chance.

selling means moving vets and bringing in picks and young players for the most part, right? Honestly, what do the Flyers have to sell that doesn't have a NTC/NMC? Fedotenko? Knuble? Not getting much, if anything, there.
- nastyflyergirl

If Briere agrees to move his NMC at the TDL, I think he could get a decent return. Teams will look at his playoff numbers and be willing to give up something-maybe a 2nd rounder and decent prospect. I'd be good with that kind of return.

Even guys like Fedotenko, Knuble, Gagne could land them picks, especially if they're not coming back.

Certainly nothing glamorous, but if they can turn those three into 3 3rd rounders, I'm good with that.

Yeah, I mean don't get me wrong, clearly Lavi has some hand in all of this inconsistent season, but I think he is well-suited for our team and group of guys. We just need better efforts from some players and lines on a more consistent basis.

Maybe Lavi should just let loose and go back to last year's system? The fire-on-all-cylinders approach?
- Flyers_V88

Like saq said if you go 4-17 to the NJD and NYR in the last two seasons your not going to get very far in the playoffs...These guys need a coach that will teach them to play the right way. They need a guy that will show them that a good defense can actuallly lead to a better offense.

I know this is a bit of a violation being he is a Ranger but I really really love Callahan a lot.
- nastyflyergirl

of course you....you are a girl LOL...

This season reminds me of the 09-10 season. Injuries and uneven play ruled. Stevens was fired, Lavy hired and they clinched a spot on the final night of the season. Then made a nice playoff run into the Cup Finals.

If Briere agrees to move his NMC at the TDL, I think he could get a decent return. Teams will look at his playoff numbers and be willing to give up something-maybe a 2nd rounder and decent prospect. I'd be good with that kind of return.

Even guys like Fedotenko, Knuble, Gagne could land them picks, especially if they're not coming back.

Certainly nothing glamorous, but if they can turn those three into 3 3rd rounders, I'm good with that.
- Jsaquella

If I were GM.. Id move Briere for just about anything... seeing how Id be buying him out at seasons end anyway.

This season reminds me of the 09-10 season. Injuries and uneven play ruled. Stevens was fired, Lavy hired and they clinched a spot on the final night of the season. Then made a nice playoff run into the Cup Finals.
- bradleyc4

So Flyers-Hawks round DOS?