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the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Mar 7 @ 9:47 PM ET
It very well could be. But I've seen two plus years of a coach being unable to make adjustments to beat divisional rivals. I've seen two plus years of a coach that seems unable or unwilling to instill discipline and stress better two way play.

The Flyers have changed the personnel. They've got 6 guys left from the 2010 Final team.

- Jsaquella


I really think it has to do with adjustments and accountability resulting in player responses.

If I'm rinaldo, I'm pissed Briere is on the ice in the last minute, because I outplayed the waste of space the entire game, yet he gets to coast and take his weak-as$ shot in the last 20 seconds. What's the incentive for me to work hard if I'm not getting off the fourth line while Danny boy gets his 15 a game?
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 7 @ 9:47 PM ET
i'm not even angry. i fully believed the result could happen after the first period and it played out exactly like i thought.

what i am annoyed with is lava's decision making - regarding rinaldo. briere. goaltending. everything.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Mar 7 @ 9:47 PM ET
buyers or seller?
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Mar 7 @ 9:47 PM ET
damn u
- Don'tForgetTocchet

They actually won, he's being an ass.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Mar 7 @ 9:47 PM ET

- flyfan1212

Danny Briere hasn't played a whole week of solid hockey in two years.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 7 @ 9:48 PM ET
buyers or seller?
- mydoglicks

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 7 @ 9:48 PM ET
buyers or seller?
- mydoglicks


Sellers than buyers.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 7 @ 9:48 PM ET
I bet Laviolette doesn't make it out of the week.
- KGBflyers10


I think if they lose to Boston on Saturday, I don't think it's gonna matter what happens on Sunday night. I can easily see them firing him after the game Sunday night. Easily.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 7 @ 9:48 PM ET
I really think it has to do with adjustments and accountability resulting in player responses.

If I'm rinaldo, I'm pissed Briere is on the ice in the last minute, because I outplayed the waste of space the entire game, yet he gets to coast and take his weak-as$ shot in the last 20 seconds. What's the incentive for me to work hard if I'm not getting off the fourth line while Danny boy gets his 15 a game?

- the deaninator


absolutely. Guys who float get the last shift, guy who busts his ass, draws penalties and scores 2 points...he sits
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
I bet Laviolette doesn't make it out of the week.
- KGBflyers10


I'm interested in what his reasoning was behind pulling Breeze when he wasn't playing badly. That sorta signaled to me that he threw in the towel.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Mar 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
It very well could be. But I've seen two plus years of a coach being unable to make adjustments to beat divisional rivals. I've seen two plus years of a coach that seems unable or unwilling to instill discipline and stress better two way play.

The Flyers have changed the personnel. They've got 6 guys left from the 2010 Final team.

- Jsaquella


Not just Lavi's fault, but he better get them on a hot streak or he's rightfully gonzo.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
buyers or seller?
- mydoglicks


Buyers. Ed Jovo for a second rounder. GID Holmless
flyfan1212
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I am the god of tits and wine.
Joined: 05.06.2011

Mar 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
Danny Briere hasn't played a whole week of solid hockey in two years.
- Winning

i hope to turn on the game saturday and hes wearing a bruins sweater
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
Oh, and a good coach gets his team to shut the door with a lead, like the Penguins did.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
Pittsburgh didnt allow the Flyers jack poop.

So what should happen if the Flyers fall behind to a team like Jersey? Throw in the towel? The Flyers failed to match the work ethic of the Pens from the start of the 2nd period. You have to outwork defending teams, to beat them. Thats hockey 101.

- flyer_nutter

Absolutely!! The constant lack of 60 minutes of hard work and effort makes me sick. Fire Lavi!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
Pittsburgh didnt allow the Flyers jack poop.

So what should happen if the Flyers fall behind to a team like Jersey? Throw in the towel? The Flyers failed to match the work ethic of the Pens from the start of the 2nd period. You have to outwork defending teams, to beat them. Thats hockey 101.

- flyer_nutter


I asked you two questions. You didn't answer either one. The correct answer to both questions is the root of the problem. The Flyers did not lose this game due to a lack of effort. Playing hard is not enough in this League. Which my example of Columbus points out.
You can't defend against teams, and check teams, and hold onto leads if you don't know how. If there is no structure in place to do so. More times then not, you cannot play the way the Flyers play this year, and expect to become any good.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 7 @ 9:49 PM ET
absolutely. Guys who float get the last shift, guy who busts his ass, draws penalties and scores 2 points...he sits
- Jsaquella


Lavi's unchecked aggression against Rinaldo will not stand, man.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 7 @ 9:50 PM ET
absolutely. Guys who float get the last shift, guy who busts his ass, draws penalties and scores 2 points...he sits
- Jsaquella


That doesn't make much sense. Not sure what he was trying to do there.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 7 @ 9:50 PM ET
I think if they lose to Boston on Saturday, I don't think it's gonna matter what happens on Sunday night. I can easily see them firing him after the game Sunday night. Easily.
- johndewar


Bringing in a new coach, who will instill a brand new system, in the middle of a short and condensed season just smells of skittles.

What happens if Murray is brought in and they continue to struggle with the same issues?
flyfan1212
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I am the god of tits and wine.
Joined: 05.06.2011

Mar 7 @ 9:50 PM ET
BREAKING NEWS: Boucher just got over to the other post on Kunitz goal.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Mar 7 @ 9:50 PM ET
I think if they lose to Boston on Saturday, I don't think it's gonna matter what happens on Sunday night. I can easily see them firing him after the game Sunday night. Easily.
- johndewar


It's gotta be tonight.

this is unacceptable.
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Mar 7 @ 9:50 PM ET
BREAKING NEWS: Boucher just got over to the other post on Kunitz goal.
- flyfan1212

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 7 @ 9:50 PM ET
buyers or seller?
- mydoglicks

All the poop we can sell has Nmc/ntc. I'm not for trading a b.schenn or Gustafson for a broke down player that won a cup when bill Clinton was president because we think it'll help us get into the playoffs.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 7 @ 9:51 PM ET
Not just Lavi's fault, but he better get them on a hot streak or he's rightfully gonzo.
- jstross


Deserves got nothing to do with it. If he can't get these guys going, Holmgren will find someone that will.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Mar 7 @ 9:51 PM ET
Lavi's unchecked aggression against Rinaldo will not stand, man.
- Moose_15

Free Mumia, Free Rinaldo.
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