Mentioning Couturier as a player to be traded is absolutely reactionary to the current situation. And it's ridiculous. It goes without saying that any player is available if it makes the team better. That even includes Giroux. That would be the case regardless of the team's record and current level of play. The future for Couturier has not changed one bit due to the current growing pains he is experiencing.
- MJL

He doesn't get enough ice time to even be a factor if you ask me. Although hes 9th on the team TOI/G.

Who is giving up on Coots? Or is the talk more of any player is fair game if it makes the team better long term.
- flyer_nutter

Coots is a core part of this team and is a player every gm in the league would be willing to build around

Mentioning Couturier as a player to be traded is absolutely reactionary to the current situation. And it's ridiculous. It goes without saying that any player is available if it makes the team better. That even includes Giroux. That would be the case regardless of the team's record and current level of play. The future for Couturier has not changed one bit due to the current growing pains he is experiencing.
- MJL

Exactly. I personally considered him untouchable before. I think the organization did as well when being reluctant to deal him for Weber or the apparent rumors for Subban.

To me at least, he is no longer purely untouchable. Just a personal thing.

Have Babcock or Trotz changed their styles?

Carlyle?

These guys coach what they coach. Lava coaches an aggressive up-tempo game, and its the GM's job to get the players that fit the identity of the team, and system.

I agree that the current style of play is not best suited to this group, and it may cost Lava his job. I dont think the system is the problem here, no coach or new system is going to make this group play like a top team.

A new coach may focus more on defensive play and hold players more accountable.
- flyer_nutter

Wouldn't be looking for a new Coach to make this team play like a top team. Would be looking for a new Coach to get the team headed in the right direction towards being a top team.

Those Coaches you named don;t need to change their styles. Their styles don't have the holes in them that Laviolette's does.

He doesn't get enough ice time to even be a factor if you ask me.
- stveshdy

He has been given ice time prior to the last few games.

His play defensively has gone down this season, and offensively he cant generate or burry anything.

Its a slump, and hopefully nothing less.

He doesn't get enough ice time to even be a factor if you ask me. Although hes 9th on the team in minutes played.
- stveshdy

Look at who his wingers were before gagne came back.. Yuck

Who is giving up on Coots? Or is the talk more of any player is fair game if it makes the team better long term.
- flyer_nutter

Are you honestly trying to say that the team's current level of play has zero to do with you or anyone else discussing trading Couturier in this thread?

Wouldn't be looking for a new Coach to make this team play like a top team. Would be looking for a new Coach to get the team headed in the right direction towards being a top team.

Those Coaches you named don;t need to change their styles. Their styles don't have the holes in them that Laviolette's does.
- MJL

Those teams also have players that fit the identity of their organizations for the most part. They also fit the style of play the coach preaches.

Just saying.

If I fire Lava it is, as you say because it would help right the direction of this team regarding accountability and demanding good play from your players. Especially in the defensize zone.

Look at who his wingers were before gagne came back.. Yuck
- JFlyers00

Hard for the kid to develop if you give him no one to play with. I would like to see him getting more minutes b/c he will be part of the future for this team.

Are you honestly trying to say that the team's current level of play has zero to do with you or anyone else discussing trading Couturier in this thread?
- MJL

The reason that I no longer consider Coots a purely untouchable player has to do with his play, and his play alone.

Those teams also have players that fit the identity of their organizations for the most part. They also fit the style of play the coach preaches.

Just saying.

If I fire Lava it is, as you say because it would help right the direction of this team regarding accountability and demanding good play from your players. Especially in the defensize zone.
- flyer_nutter

Most good Coaches are adaptable and have multiple facets in their system based play, that a wide range of players can play in. That is not the case with Laviolette. He is a one trick pony.

The reason that I no longer consider Coots a purely untouchable player has to do with his play, and his play alone.
- flyer_nutter

Exactly, and that's what is ridiculous.

Most good Coaches are adaptable and have multiple facets in their system based play, that a wide range of players can play in. That is not the case with Laviolette. He is a one trick pony.
- MJL

The reason that I no longer consider Coots a purely untouchable player has to do with his play, and his play alone.
- flyer_nutter

I'd throw in the fact we have schenn and giroux at center as well... If we had no top line centers I'd be a different story. Trading him that is. I'd trade coots in a heartbeat if it helped our defense get better.

Exactly, and that's what is ridiculous.
- MJL

So Coots is untouchable in your eyes in the right deal?

Thats all what was being brought up.

I'd throw in the fact we have schenn and giroux at center as well... If we had no top line centers I'd be a different story. Trading him that is. I'd trade coots in a heartbeat if it helped our defense get better.
- moylander

If it helps them get better long term, and the deal makes sense.

So Coots is untouchable in your eyes in the right deal?

Thats all what was being brought up.
- flyer_nutter

The type of deal that I'd be willing to trade Couturier in is the same as it was last year. His current level of play and the team's current level of play have not changed that one bit. The discussion of trading him by you and others is obviously reactionary to the current situation.

Most good Coaches are adaptable and have multiple facets in their system based play, that a wide range of players can play in. That is not the case with Laviolette. He is a one trick pony.
- MJL

His style of play requires certain players. Nothing more, and nothing less.

He is the easiest to replace, but the blame should be placed everywhere. Owner included.

Nice goal by JVR. 14 goals on the season. That would be first on the Flyers wouldn't it?
- Flyers_01

If he was on the flyers he would be out injured

The type of deal that I'd be willing to trade Couturier in is the same as it was last year. His current level of play and the team's current level of play have not changed that one bit. The discussion of trading him by you and others is obviously reactionary to the current situation.
- MJL

Hell if you can read my mind, by all means.

I considered Coots an untouchable player last season. Would have needed a team to overpay to get his services.

He is no longer untouchable in my eyes. In the right deal, I do trade him. That is where it ends. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hell if you can read my mind, by all means.

I considered Coots an untouchable player last season. Would have needed a team to overpay to get his services.

He is no longer untouchable in my eyes. In the right deal, I do trade him. That is where it ends. Nothing more, nothing less.
- flyer_nutter

If a trade comes along that will improve the team I'm sure any player is available.

Hard for the kid to develop if you give him no one to play with. I would like to see him getting more minutes b/c he will be part of the future for this team.
- stveshdy

Same here. Yet lavy gives a ton of ice time to a struggling briere who shouldnt have a future on this team

Hell if you can read my mind, by all means.

I considered Coots an untouchable player last season. Would have needed a team to overpay to get his services.

He is no longer untouchable in my eyes. In the right deal, I do trade him. That is where it ends. Nothing more, nothing less.
- flyer_nutter

Most people would trade him in the right deal, myself included. But ask an honest question that is rhetorical. If the team was winning and he was playing well, you and others would still be discussing trading him? Reading minds in not necessary to figure that out.

If a trade comes along that will improve the team I'm sure any player is available.
- stveshdy

Thats all the comment was about

Hell if you can read my mind, by all means.

I considered Coots an untouchable player last season. Would have needed a team to overpay to get his services.

He is no longer untouchable in my eyes. In the right deal, I do trade him. That is where it ends. Nothing more, nothing less.
- flyer_nutter

Only way coots gets traded is if its a package for a potential top 10 defender in the league