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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 10 @ 3:57 PM ET
They don't even have the time to have regular practices, from what the beat writers tweet. That's probably a factor, too.
- Jsaquella


This may freak you out, but in that dream I had abut Briere last night? You were sitting watching the game. A ginger beard and red curly hair. I woke up thinking wtf.

Your thoughts on the lack of a consistent direction/identity/structure from the top of the organization? Or not really an issue?
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Mar 10 @ 3:58 PM ET
FYI... Darnell nurse is rapidly moving up draft prediction charts??? Was reading draft previews last week. MoSt had us taking him with 11th pick. Good thing looks like we will get around 5 or 6
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 10 @ 4:00 PM ET
FYI... Darnell nurse is rapidly moving up draft prediction charts??? Was reading draft previews last week. MoSt had us taking him with 11th pick. Good thing looks like we will get around 5 or 6
- SMS4016


Out of Morrissey, Pulock and Nurse I kind of like Nurse the best.

Ristolainen and Zadorov are better than those 3 however. For now.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 10 @ 4:02 PM ET
This may freak you out, but in that dream I had abut Briere last night? You were sitting watching the game. A ginger beard and red curly hair. I woke up thinking wtf.

Your thoughts on the lack of a consistent direction/identity/structure from the top of the organization? Or not really an issue?

- flyer_nutter


I don't have a ginger beard or curly red hair

I have said several times that the Flyers spend too much time trying to win last year's Stanley Cup.

I do disagree that changing coaches is a radical course change, more the rate that players cycle through Philly being the cause of that.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 10 @ 4:05 PM ET
This may freak you out, but in that dream I had abut Briere last night? You were sitting watching the game. A ginger beard and red curly hair. I woke up thinking wtf.

Your thoughts on the lack of a consistent direction/identity/structure from the top of the organization? Or not really an issue?

- flyer_nutter

Let's go Flyers clap, Jsaq Dream Sequence style:

SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Mar 10 @ 4:05 PM ET
Out of Morrissey, Pulock and Nurse I kind of like Nurse the best.

Ristolainen and Zadorov are better than those 3 however. For now.

- flyer_nutter

From what I've read nurse has progressed huge this last season and keeps getting better. Predicting he will be 2nd dman taken after jones.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 10 @ 4:06 PM ET
OTher than Simmonds, Grossmann, and Voracek, who's playing in first gear for the most part?
- bodiva88


I think the entire team is for the most part. No team as a whole is going to have it's legs fully under them for every game, especially with the schedule that they had in February. I don't believe that this team has a work ethic issue.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 10 @ 4:07 PM ET
Let's go Flyers clap, Jsaq Dream Sequence style:


- Flyskippy


Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 10 @ 4:08 PM ET
I think the entire team is for the most part. No team as a whole is going to have it's legs fully under them for every game, especially with the schedule that they had in February. I don't believe that this team has a work ethic issue.
- MJL

I will be going to tonight's game and I believe I will seriously wear my Recchi jersey.

I noted that last game (that I attended) that the forward on the side boards passed to a location and not a person -- and the Pens were intercepting from the 2nd period onward.

I listened to yesterday's game on iHeartRadio and read posts here, to spare my eyes the pain. Not so tonight.

#BringTheChaos
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 10 @ 4:08 PM ET

- Jsaquella

Carrying Gilbert is more dangerous than the revolver.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 10 @ 4:08 PM ET
FYI... Darnell nurse is rapidly moving up draft prediction charts??? Was reading draft previews last week. MoSt had us taking him with 11th pick. Good thing looks like we will get around 5 or 6
- SMS4016


I say he goes top 10 likely 6 to 8
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 10 @ 4:10 PM ET
You can agree or not, but stats don't lie. Couts will almost certainly be a dominant player in the league, but 2013 has been a big step back offensively and defensively from his "shut down Malkin" performance in the POs last year.

Other than that, who would you argue is having a good year in that list?

And I'm not sure Talbot's 1 goal or Briere's 5 (2 more than Rinaldo) for the season can be laid on the coaching staff.

- wolfhounds


It's not about stats. It's about why player's are having bad years. One of the players you listed as having a bad year is Fedetenko. He is not having a bad year. He is doing exactly what he was brought here to do.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 10 @ 4:10 PM ET
Those top players who you've cut PP time from have to be replaced by somebody.
- 77rams


Yes, they do. My point is all the Flyers top players need to be replaced at the same time?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 10 @ 4:13 PM ET
I think the entire team is for the most part. No team as a whole is going to have it's legs fully under them for every game, especially with the schedule that they had in February. I don't believe that this team has a work ethic issue.
- MJL


The lack of disciplined play leads to a lot of energy being wasted. The best we can probably hope for is them being at .500 when their vacation starts on March 19th, and using that time to clean up the issues, then coming back strong for a 5 games in 8 day stretch before the end of March against the Pens, Ranger, Isles, Bruins and Caps. If they're Still 3 games under 500-or worse- before the 19th, good time for a new coach to have a mini-camp
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 10 @ 4:15 PM ET
Carrying Gilbert is more dangerous than the revolver.
- Flyskippy


He's probably lighter, too...he's like a little, angry, loud Smurf
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 10 @ 4:16 PM ET
It's not about stats. It's about why player's are having bad years. One of the players you listed as having a bad year is Fedetenko. He is not having a bad year. He is doing exactly what he was brought here to do.
- MJL


Sure, Rusty is doing what he's supposed to be doing. That's 1 off my list.

Right, you keep blaming the coaching staff for players not performing, but I'm going to put some of the blame where it belongs: on the players.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 10 @ 4:18 PM ET
Let's go Flyers clap, Jsaq Dream Sequence style:


- Flyskippy

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 10 @ 4:20 PM ET
Sure, Rusty is doing what he's supposed to be doing. That's 1 off my list.

Right, you keep blaming the coaching staff for players not performing, but I'm going to put some of the blame where it belongs: on the players.

- wolfhounds

and is it not the coach's job to hold the players accountable? For whatever reason, Lavy isn't getting it done.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 10 @ 4:20 PM ET
Sure, Rusty is doing what he's supposed to be doing. That's 1 off my list.

Right, you keep blaming the coaching staff for players not performing, but I'm going to put some of the blame where it belongs: on the players.

- wolfhounds


Of course some blame belongs on the players. There is never a Season that goes by where players don't screw up along the way at some point. But the state of this team right now, as a whole, is not due to players. It is due to a failure by the Coaching staff. Namely Laviolette, and his failure to adjust.
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Mar 10 @ 4:21 PM ET
Normally I am against changing coaches in mid season. But maybe everybody needs a break.

Paul MacLean is known as a players coach. Has a puck possession system but believes it needs to be adapted to the skill and effort of the players. Lindy Ruff is also a players coach. If you change coaches it probably won't impact the standings, but a players coach like Ruff might build some confidence going forward.

- spatso


Based on track recprd in the NHL, if that dingbat Lindy Ruff is in the discussion, I'd be disheartened. I'd much, much rather have a guy like Murray take over if the alternative would be Ruff.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 10 @ 4:23 PM ET
and is it not the coach's job to hold the players accountable? For whatever reason, Lavy isn't getting it done.
- JoeRussomanno



Sure it is. But how? Bench Couts? Bench Talbot? Bench Coburn? Bench Briere? All of them are under-performing.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 10 @ 4:24 PM ET
Sure it is. But how? Bench Couts? Bench Talbot? Bench Coburn? Bench Briere? All of them are under-performing.
- wolfhounds

either way its up to the coach to figure it out and get results. What else is a coach supposed to do?
the deaninator
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Purgatory, DE
Joined: 08.06.2006

Mar 10 @ 4:27 PM ET
97.5 talking hockey, saying that perhaps the culture of the organization is to blame for where they are.

sounds like a familiar argument
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Mar 10 @ 4:28 PM ET
I say he goes top 10 likely 6 to 8
- ob18

Maybe higher depends on where we draft.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 10 @ 4:30 PM ET
But the state of this team right now, as a whole, is not due to players. It is due to a failure by the Coaching staff. Namely Laviolette, and his failure to adjust.
- MJL


That's where we disagree. I blame the whole organization, a lack of practice time, the Flyers' aggressive schedule for the first half of this shortened season, injuries, Lavi, and an under-performing team, at least offensively. Defensively, we have issues, as evidenced by the fact that we went after Weber and Suter only to end up with Foster, Gervais, Lilja and Gustafsson.
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