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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 11 @ 12:20 PM ET
Anyone see the 3 stars of the week in the NHL?

It's like the league is trolling Flyers fans:

1st star: Bobrovsky
2nd star: Sid Crosby
3rd star: Jeff Carter

Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Mar 11 @ 12:22 PM ET
I thought it sounded familiar!

So... Kadri for Lilja?

- BulliesPhan87

You re learning young boba fett
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 11 @ 12:24 PM ET
Anyone see the 3 stars of the week in the NHL?

It's like the league is trolling Flyers fans:

1st star: Bobrovsky
2nd star: Sid Crosby
3rd star: Jeff Carter


- johndewar




Wow....
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 12:29 PM ET
Statistics are like bikinis; they reveal a lot but they don't show you everything.
- Flyskippy


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
Most of what you say makes sense to me, but how can you say the players are unable to play aggressively and they know it? What do you mean? They don't have the energy or desire to play hard? JvR was ultra aggressive and Gagne isn't? Jagr could forecheck but Voracek can't? Carle could play hard but Schenn can't? I don't think this team would be any better for another coach. They lost good players and did not replace them with better players. This team is not good. Holmgren put the team together and he hired the coach. If these players are the wrong players to play in Laviolette's system then it's on him to get the right players or the right coach.
- Dkos



The team as a whole is not able to be effective playing that style game in and game out. They know that they don't have the defenseman. And they know that playing that way, they give up chance after chance to the other team. It's why they seem hesitant when they get a lead late in games. Nothing to do with playing hard.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
Anyone see the 3 stars of the week in the NHL?

It's like the league is trolling Flyers fans:

1st star: Bobrovsky
2nd star: Sid Crosby
3rd star: Jeff Carter


- johndewar


Oh goody here come the "We never should have traded Carter & Bob" people.

Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 11 @ 12:35 PM ET
Oh goody here come the "We never should have traded Carter & Bob" people.
- Jsaquella

(frank)ers have 1 good week...wel be hearing it for the rest of the season...sorry friend ..Dont get me started on JVRuseless
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 11 @ 12:35 PM ET
I said at the time it was a quick hook and didn't agree with it considering the alternatives. Just because a young player gets benched, doesn't mean he has to be traded.
- PLindbergh31


No, but signing another goalie to a 9 year deal because of the mishandling of a young player is what happened after Laviolette's juggling act. That led to the trade.

Snider definitely overreacted, but so did Laviolette in burying Bobrovsky behind Leighton.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 11 @ 12:37 PM ET
(frank)ers have 1 good week...wel be hearing it for the rest of the season...sorry friend ..Dont get me started on JVRuseless
- Philly1980


I don't begrudge them anything. Good for them. I still make the Carter trade and Bob's road was blocked here, through no fault of his own.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 12:37 PM ET
Oh goody here come the "We never should have traded Carter & Bob" people.
- Jsaquella


Should of kept Crosby!
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 11 @ 12:39 PM ET
Oh goody here come the "We never should have traded Carter & Bob" people.
- Jsaquella


I didn't post it for that reason at all......it just seemed like one more indignity to have to deal with after the week the Flyers just had.

Whoever does those weekly 3 star things should have gone full on Flyers troll and made Carter and Richards co-3rd stars of the week.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 11 @ 12:39 PM ET
You are not reading it objectively though, you are just looking at stats without context it would seem.
- NickTheKid87

he has not played up to his contract. I've watched every game and i know how often we need him to make the momentum type save where he hasn't come thru. you act as if I'm an out of town fan just looking at numbers. do you want 7 more yrs of what we've seen so far?

that's certainly an objective analysis.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 11 @ 12:41 PM ET
That is not an objective read on your part. If you're not considering the team play in front of him, and the situations he is facing game in and game out. Then you aren't being objective.
- MJL

tu quoque
Joshc
Joined: 02.24.2013

Mar 11 @ 12:41 PM ET
Im honestly baffeled at the responses here. Bottum line this group isnt working. Also 9 more years of ilya are not good. Do you think were gonna find a taker for that? The islanders have 20 million invested into there goaltenders already. We gotta give some to get some. Bottum line dont know how we sign giroux after next season. Were strapped finnancially and have the least cap in the league. How do we get under next years cap. Like it or not something big has to change.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 12:41 PM ET
he has not played up to his contract. I've watched every game and i know how often we need him to make the momentum type save where he hasn't come thru. you act as if I'm an out of town fan just looking at numbers. do you want 7 more yrs of what we've seen so far?

that's certainly an objective analysis.

- isaiah520


I agree that he hasn't lived up to the contract, but you were disregarding other factors that may have lead to that.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 11 @ 12:42 PM ET
No, but signing another goalie to a 9 year deal because of the mishandling of a young player is what happened after Laviolette's juggling act. That led to the trade.

Snider definitely overreacted, but so did Laviolette in burying Bobrovsky behind Leighton.

- Jsaquella

plus the leighton situation led us to rushing bob...
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Mar 11 @ 12:42 PM ET
The team as a whole is not able to be effective playing that style game in and game out. They know that they don't have the defenseman. And they know that playing that way, they give up chance after chance to the other team. It's why they seem hesitant when they get a lead late in games. Nothing to do with playing hard.
- MJL


are you saying...because the defenseman aren't good the forwards are hesitant to play an agressive offensive game? Was our defense better last year? I'm having a hard time blaming the coach because his players aren't good enough.
FlyerInEdm
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.09.2013

Mar 11 @ 12:43 PM ET

Today @ 12:04 PM ET
Hey richard was thinking of a few teams in need of shake up whats your thoughts. To edmonton ilya brygalof wayne simmonds luke and braydon schenn. To philly choice between khabulin or dubnyk( amnesty save and cap save) nick shultz ales hemsky and eric belanger


This is the CRAP that I'm force feed here in Edmonton all day, for a hockey market people are not very smart
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Mar 11 @ 12:43 PM ET
Im honestly baffeled at the responses here. Bottum line this group isnt working. Also 9 more years of ilya are not good. Do you think were gonna find a taker for that? The islanders have 20 million invested into there goaltenders already. We gotta give some to get some. Bottum line dont know how we sign giroux after next season. Were strapped finnancially and have the least cap in the league. How do we get under next years cap. Like it or not something big has to change.
- Joshc


Don't need to trade assets like the Schenns to get out from Bryz's contract.

They can just buy him out this summer, if need be.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 11 @ 12:43 PM ET
Im honestly baffeled at the responses here. Bottum line this group isnt working. Also 9 more years of ilya are not good. Do you think were gonna find a taker for that? The islanders have 20 million invested into there goaltenders already. We gotta give some to get some. Bottum line dont know how we sign giroux after next season. Were strapped finnancially and have the least cap in the league. How do we get under next years cap. Like it or not something big has to change.
- Joshc


Bottum line is you can by hem out next yeaar
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 12:43 PM ET
Today @ 12:04 PM ET
Hey richard was thinking of a few teams in need of shake up whats your thoughts. To edmonton ilya brygalof wayne simmonds luke and braydon schenn. To philly choice between khabulin or dubnyk( amnesty save and cap save) nick shultz ales hemsky and eric belanger


This is the CRAP that I'm force feed here in Edmonton all day, for a hockey market people are not very smart

- FlyerInEdm


Same guy posted that on here!!!
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 11 @ 12:44 PM ET
No, but signing another goalie to a 9 year deal because of the mishandling of a young player is what happened after Laviolette's juggling act. That led to the trade.

Snider definitely overreacted, but so did Laviolette in burying Bobrovsky behind Leighton.

- Jsaquella


they all overreacted and mishandled everything. however - to be fair to snider - the goalie elephant in the room has been lingering/haunting the franchise since hextall in the late 80's - whether's it's "true" or not - the perception has been there for decades. what puzzles me is that they never really acted sooner to do whatever it takes to get the legit, long term guy here. anyway - i just look at that clown show as the final goaltending straw - and bryz was the only legit option available at the time of the culmination of said overreaction. had there been other choices, who knows what decision gets made.

in the end, bob may turn into a HOF'er for all we know, and the flyers will have blown it for a headcase stuck in a bad mix. or maybe if bob were to have stayed, he never becomes what he does in columbus or somewhere else. we'll never know.

i'm just pissed because i bought a bob jersey last year.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 11 @ 12:44 PM ET
Im honestly baffeled at the responses here. Bottum line this group isnt working. Also 9 more years of ilya are not good. Do you think were gonna find a taker for that? The islanders have 20 million invested into there goaltenders already. We gotta give some to get some. Bottum line dont know how we sign giroux after next season. Were strapped finnancially and have the least cap in the league. How do we get under next years cap. Like it or not something big has to change.
- Joshc


Do you know how the compliance buyouts work?
Joshc
Joined: 02.24.2013

Mar 11 @ 12:45 PM ET
Im honestly baffeled at the responses here. Bottum line this group isnt working. Also 9 more years of ilya are not good. Do you think were gonna find a taker for that? The islanders have 20 million invested into there goaltenders already. We gotta give some to get some. Bottum line dont know how we sign giroux after next season. Were strapped finnancially and have the least cap in the league. How do we get under next years cap. Like it or not something big has to change.
- Joshc

Like bryz to phoenix for " future considerations" ha were hooped there. Hes nit what we hoped for hes played at or below .900
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 11 @ 12:45 PM ET
Should of kept Crosby!
- NickTheKid87

Bing!
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