didn't want to misquote someone and i don't want a ban. internet tough guy, huh?
- isaiah520

I am very tough when posting on internet message boards, yes.

I'm getting the information from the play on the ice. Poor line changes and bad puck management certainly isn't part of Laviolette's system. It is however his responsibility to correct those issues.
- MJL

Don't you think he has addressed the issues with his players? Laviolette has proved he is a good coach with this team and in Carolina. Don't you think he has tried to make adjustments?

If Holmgren decides that Laviolette has lost this team he should fire him. I tend to think this team just isn't good enough. I like the style of game Laviolette's teams play. It's a lot of fun to watch and the last few year have been a blast (especially 09/10). Holmgren needs pick a direction and stay with it. If Laviolette is the coach of this team than he needs to get the players to make it work.

Well, the trade deadline is approaching...
- jmatchett

Still 551 hours away sir.

there certainly is a symbiotic relationship between the goalie and the rest of the team and it's fair to say that the team went south before him. last yr it seemed to be the other way around.
- isaiah520

The one thing Bryz has never had here that he had in Phoenix was solid team defense in front of him.

This year it's even worse than last. There have been games where he hasn't made the big save, true enough, but there have also been games in which he was left out to dry without even a chance at the big save. The first game in Toronto sticks out in my mind. He allowed 4 goals and I'm not sure if even one was stoppable unless he made the save of the year each time. That kind of stuff can wear on you as a player. We can't forget these guys are human.

To point out just how much worse theyve been this year, we can pretty much all agree that Bryz has been better and more consistant this year, yet his numbers are very similar. What i dont see happening this year is the ridiculous amount of double or triple deflections, the seeing eye shots or as many own goals, leading to worse #s.... just an observation and my opinion
- KINGKENZO

Everything about this team this year has to be examine with the proper context, otherwise the variables such as our offense, defense, and Bryz can't be judged properly. The point about Bryz's play being more consistent, yet similar to worse numbers indicates that. Plain and simple, our team was better at hiding those factors last year because there was virtually no team in the league that we couldn't go run-and-gun with or outscore.

I used to live in Rochester so Buffalo was a just a hop west on I90. Been to the Anchor Bar (their wings are decent but there are lots of better wing joints in Buffalo and Rochester too, for that matter). Best thing about Buffalo, at least for me when I was a college student/recent grad...bars open until 4AM. I could not pull that crap these days. Was this old boss of yours law enforcement? I thought the only reason police liked the Grateful Dead was for filling vice arrest quotas.

Walton is a huge 'Head. They just released a live show recording from UCLA Pauley Pavillion...liner notes are by none other than Walton (who of course has been to every dead show at UCLA).


- Lexington Flyer

Nice! I guess to us out of town folk the Anchor Bar is good, but the locals know all the better spots.

To point out just how much worse theyve been this year, we can pretty much all agree that Bryz has been better and more consistant this year, yet his numbers are very similar. What i dont see happening this year is the ridiculous amount of double or triple deflections, the seeing eye shots or as many own goals, leading to worse #s.... just an observation and my opinion
- KINGKENZO

I think he's been stopping more of them but I agree, I think there have been less.

On a quick side-note however, someone much earlier on in the thread mentioned Roman Čechmánek...

Man, looking back now, did he get a brutal ride or what? Sure the game is a tad different now and our teams is completely different in terms of identity compared to then, but name another goalie who put up those kinds of numbers and is sent packing the following years...

I really wonder if had been given a fair shake, and we didn't play Ottawa those times in the playoffs in the early 2000's, what would have been...?

I was alive in 79... that's about it.
- PLindbergh31

There's a WKRP in Cincinnatti had an episode where the station gave away tickets to the show, and was dedicated to the victims.

Nine fans were killed at a Pearl Jam show in 1998, at the Roskilde Festival in Copenhagen, in a similar general admission fueled stampede. They mention the incident in the song "Love Boat Captain".

The second verse goes
Lost 9 friends we'll never know
Two years ago today

http://www.people.com/peo...article/0,,618132,00.html

On a quick side-note however, someone much earlier on in the thread mentioned Roman Čechmánek...

Man, looking back now, did he get a brutal ride or what? Sure the game is a tad different now and our teams is completely different in terms of identity compared to then, but name another goalie who put up those kinds of numbers and is sent packing the following years...

I really wonder if had been given a fair shake, and we didn't play Ottawa those times in the playoffs in the early 2000's, what would have been...?
- Flyers_V88

Ceckmanek might have gotten a raw deal with the media because he was Russian and a weirdo, but he apparently was a terrible teammate.

Nice! I guess to us out of town folk the Anchor Bar is good, but the locals know all the better spots.
- PLindbergh31

It'd be like me looking for a cheesteak in Philly. At least I have frequented this forum (and before that the old usenet flyers newsgroup) long enough to have learned to avoid Geno's and Pat's.

Was looking at stats and Sidney Crosby has played 48 games the past two seasons...and he's scored 82 points.

On a quick side-note however, someone much earlier on in the thread mentioned Roman Čechmánek...

Man, looking back now, did he get a brutal ride or what? Sure the game is a tad different now and our teams is completely different in terms of identity compared to then, but name another goalie who put up those kinds of numbers and is sent packing the following years...

I really wonder if had been given a fair shake, and we didn't play Ottawa those times in the playoffs in the early 2000's, what would have been...?
- Flyers_V88

Cechmanek got screwed. Plain and simple.

Ceckmanek might have gotten a raw deal with the media because he was Russian and a weirdo, but he apparently was a terrible teammate.
- KGBflyers10

He was Czech (sorry for the correction :p lol). Yeah, I'd heard that back then too watching the team in that time period, but it's actually pretty shocking the numbers he put up, albeit under Ken Hitchcock's D first system.

2000–01 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 59 35 15 6 3431 115 10 2.01 .921
2000–01 Philadelphia Phantoms AHL 3 1 1 0 160 3 0 1.12 .969
2001–02 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 46 24 13 6 2603 89 4 2.05 .921
2002–03 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 58 33 15 10 3350 102 6 1.83 .925


I mean really, those numbers are actually insane lol. Probably literally all Flyers' records with respect to GAA and SV-PCT.

There's a WKRP in Cincinnatti had an episode where the station gave away tickets to the show, and was dedicated to the victims.

Nine fans were killed at a Pearl Jam show in 1998, at the Roskilde Festival in Copenhagen, in a similar general admission fueled stampede. They mention the incident in the song "Love Boat Captain".

The second verse goes
Lost 9 friends we'll never know
Two years ago today

http://www.people.com/peo...article/0,,618132,00.html
- Jsaquella

More info I didn't know about. This type of stuff fascinates me. When I'm bored I pull up old Zep tours and read the news on them and look at the set lists etc... What a crazy time the 60's and 70's were for music. The crap today can't compare.

I'm not a huge Pearl Jam fan, the Ten album is one the best of the last 25 years imo.

I'm getting the information from the play on the ice. Poor line changes and bad puck management certainly isn't part of Laviolette's system. It is however his responsibility to correct those issues.
- MJL

But you can't play for them. He and Berube HAVE and continue to try and correct things they're doing wrong. But the fact is, it comes down to them executing and listening. Listen to them mic'd up. They're always yelling not to bunch up along the boards in the offensive zone - what do they do... 3 forwards bunched up on the puck, and it quirts out to nobody in front. They yell about line changes - what do they do... too many men on the ice left and right, and last night nobody changed for Briere.

The coach is always the first one on the chopping block. But I see Lavvy as the least to blame at this point in time. He's coaching, they just aren't listening, or aren't executing.. either way, it's on them. Maybe it is time for some of these attitudes to go, if that's the case. You're getting paid to play hockey... do it... and do what your coach tells you. Line changes, and positioning should even have to be brought up to a guy earning millions a year. So if I were Lavvy, I'd actually find it pretty aggravating that they aren't listening to him when he does tell them...

IMO, this is pretty much all on the players...

Was looking at stats and Sidney Crosby has played 48 games the past two seasons...and he's scored 82 points.
- NickTheKid87

Looks like someone needs another conky.

(Insert Skips sarcasms thing here. I kid, I kid, I kid about the Kid!).

It'd be like me looking for a cheesteak in Philly. At least I have frequented this forum (and before that the old usenet flyers newsgroup) long enough to have learned to avoid Geno's and Pat's.
- Lexington Flyer

Yup! Jims is the best. Even Tony Luke's is better than Pat's or Geno's

He was Czech (sorry for the correction :p lol).
- Flyers_V88

Wow, sorry. It's the weekend for me. My head went on vacation. I can't believe I missed that.

Don't you think he has addressed the issues with his players? Laviolette has proved he is a good coach with this team and in Carolina. Don't you think he has tried to make adjustments?

If Holmgren decides that Laviolette has lost this team he should fire him. I tend to think this team just isn't good enough. I like the style of game Laviolette's teams play. It's a lot of fun to watch and the last few year have been a blast (especially 09/10). Holmgren needs pick a direction and stay with it. If Laviolette is the coach of this team than he needs to get the players to make it work.
- Dkos

I don't feel he's made adjustments, or I should say I don't feel he's made effective adjustments.

He was fired in Carolina after a similar inability to get a team that lacked the pieces to play his system failed to perform.

The problem with your argument is that Holmgren has tried to get the players to play Laviolette's system. He offered $200mm in contracts to Shea Weber and Ryan Suter. He's been scouting every team in the league like mad. Do you really think if there was a good deal, or even a fair deal out there, that he'd stand pat?

Coaches need to adjust their system to what is on the roster. They need to instill discipline and hold players accountable. So far Laviolette hasn't done that very well.

Was looking at stats and Sidney Crosby has played 48 games the past two seasons...and he's scored 82 points.
- NickTheKid87

He obviously sucks!

But you can't play for them. He and Berube HAVE and continue to try and correct things they're doing wrong.
- WarriorHockey21

Unleash Berube for a shift?

Cechmanek got screwed. Plain and simple.
- Scoob

I'll say... I mean I don't think he was our savior or anything, but really, when you look at those numbers they're pretty eye-opening. People also forget, when the Flyers played the Sens in those playoff series, our offense literally went to sleep and died.

I can still remember that era like it was yesterday, it went something like this:

Toronto couldn't beat Philadelphia.
Philadelphia couldn't beat Ottawa.
Ottawa couldn't beat Toronto.
And New Jersey, playing their "watching-paint-dry-style" could beat us all :s

Cechmanek got screwed. Plain and simple.
- Scoob

Yup. I thought ditching Checko was a bad move regardless if he "showed up*" his team-mates.

*by showed up they really meant "called out the piss poor play of of the offense".

Wow, sorry. It's the weekend for me. My head went on vacation. I can't believe I missed that.

- KGBflyers10

lol, all good man! Didn't wanna seem like a wiener for that correction lol.