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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:45 AM ET
Brodeur just resumed skating today, isn't taking shots yet. Will def be Hedberg tomorrow. And probably Friday as well.
- PLindbergh31


be prepared for 2 2-1 losses.
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:45 AM ET
Yes. When he was making $0.00 this year with the NHL, he was overseas trying to get paid. Now that he's making $7M, situation is probably different.
- jmatchett



But youre point was about the kids, not the money. The money won't change at all regardless of where he plays. I think Briere is savvy enough to know that if he doesn't go to another team, a contender, in trade, he's getting bought out at the end of this year and then CAN'T be on the Flyers team next year.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:48 AM ET
I have to say, that art is really well directed.
- NickTheKid87


thanks. i should have also said designed. whole shebang.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 12 @ 11:48 AM ET
Agree completely with the expectation criteria, Bill!
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 11:48 AM ET
But youre point was about the kids, not the money. The money won't change at all regardless of where he plays. I think Briere is savvy enough to know that if he doesn't go to another team, a contender, in trade, he's getting bought out at the end of this year and then CAN'T be on the Flyers team next year.
- shekkie

I'd be surprised if the Flyers used either of their amnesty buyouts.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 12 @ 11:49 AM ET
Damn near impossible. He's got kids in school. He can either uproot them 2-3 months before the end of the school year, or get bought out and move over summer break. If I was him, I'd want to stay in the area.
- jmatchett


He went to Germany during the lockout and was prepared to play a whole season there.

Edit: So, so late
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 12 @ 11:49 AM ET
I'd be surprised if the Flyers used either of their amnesty buyouts.
- mayorofangrytown


why not use one on briere and try to get perry?
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 12 @ 11:50 AM ET
why not use one on briere and try to get perry?
- Philly1980


Perry will cost 7 years $9-10 million per possibly.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 12 @ 11:50 AM ET
But youre point was about the kids, not the money. The money won't change at all regardless of where he plays. I think Briere is savvy enough to know that if he doesn't go to another team, a contender, in trade, he's getting bought out at the end of this year and then CAN'T be on the Flyers team next year.
- shekkie


So given the choice of staying in the area with his kids and making $7M or leaving his kids at making $7M, he'd choose the latter? Yes, someone else can take care of his kids. But I'm sure he'd much rather be with them than without them if his financial situation is the same.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:50 AM ET
I'd be okay with a coaching change as long as it's for the right new guy and not some organizational retread.

My problem with Laviolette is the same as it's always been. I believe he does some things to the detriment of the team almost out of... I want to say spite here but maybe more out of angry frustration. This year it's Bryzgalof. He doesn't have what he would consider (or any of us either) a playable backup so he's just saying F it, I'll play Bryzgalof every damn game.

He did this a couple years ago when Bobrovski struggle in the playoffs and he went all haywire and started that damn goalie roulette that ended up with us going out in a big mess. If you go back to the Cup finals I complained he was doing the same thing with the defensemen. He looked and thought to himself, well, I haven't been given playable 5, 6 or 7th defensemen so I'm going to play these four guys until they drop.

It's obvious management sees it because after the Cup final they went out and bolstered their D and after the Boston sweep they did everything they could to get a true number one goalie. I just don't need him proving his point by playing Bryzgalof into the cement this season.

- mayorofangrytown


which is all the more puzzling when he pulled bryz in a 4-4 game with plenty of time left for boucher who's played all of 5 minutes this year against loaded penguins team. it was certain disaster. i lay 100% of that loss on him.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 12 @ 11:51 AM ET
which is all the more puzzling when he pulled bryz in a 4-4 game with plenty of time left for boucher who's played all of 5 minutes this year against loaded penguins team. it was certain disaster. i lay 100% of that loss on him.
- hammarby31


Bylsma came out after the first and had his team adjusted and Lavy couldn't adjust to the adjustment.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
So given the choice of staying in the area with his kids and making $7M or leaving his kids at making $7M, he'd choose the latter? Yes, someone else can take care of his kids. But I'm sure he'd much rather be with them than without them if his financial situation is the same.
- jmatchett


Look, even with an NMC if you're asked to waive it you might as well because essentially you're unwanted/unneeded. Say no, get bought out, and you're moving anyway if you still want to play.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
I'd be surprised if the Flyers used either of their amnesty buyouts.
- mayorofangrytown


they should make amnesty buyouts a commodity so that teams can trade them just like they can now take some salary back in a player move. i have no idea of what i'm saying. just thinking out loud.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
But youre point was about the kids, not the money. The money won't change at all regardless of where he plays. I think Briere is savvy enough to know that if he doesn't go to another team, a contender, in trade, he's getting bought out at the end of this year and then CAN'T be on the Flyers team next year.
- shekkie

As far as I know he still gets a check from the flyers if he's bought out on top of whatever he gets in from his next team. When you consider that he has nothing to lose if bought out in terms of money.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:53 AM ET
Bylsma came out after the first and had his team adjusted and Lavy couldn't adjust to the adjustment.
- NickTheKid87


his adjustment was to throw in his aging spare goalie against a team who can't play defense. perhaps he thought if i throw in this aging spare goalie the team will play defense and try to protect him. who the hell knows. i hated the decision.
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:53 AM ET
I'd be surprised if the Flyers used either of their amnesty buyouts.
- mayorofangrytown


Well, nothing surprises me anymore regarding the Flyers or the NHL in general but, a 6.5million dollar cap hit for a player currently on pace for 22pts this year or 37pts on an 82 game schedule for another 3 years seems ideal for a buyout.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 12 @ 11:55 AM ET
The issue with Lavy is that he has not adjusted the team properly for the past two seasons. He runs in to a team that plays tight D and he can't adjust. He's had his chances to change things but he is either unwilling or unable.
- NickTheKid87



That's a viewpoint developed from recent PO failures (and regular season futility vs the Rangers).

Remember the 2010 PO's... they beat three straight defensive-inclined teams (BOS, MTL, NJD) to get to the Finals... I don't recall anybody claiming that he couldn't make those kinds of adjustments, then.

Of course, the team from 2010 looks a hell of a lot different than this 2013 iteration... think that might have something to do with it? And, if so, do you still lay the blame for that at the feet of the coach?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 12 @ 11:55 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: What's Working/Not Working After 27 Games?
- bmeltzer

I do like the players we have on D. I feel Timonen, Schenn, Grossman, Coburn and Meszaros are special players. There is no shortage of hits and shot blocking back there but we do have a massive drop off on puck movement. Coburn is underrated in this area but still...

Also I really don't see a proper balance for both app units. We need to proper players needed on both. Do not over use one over the other and find that balance because we should have two very dangerous units. I also find that the pp begins strong in a game and really drops off by the time we reach the third. Not clutch at all.

Sorry Bill. I cannot agree that we were considered a playoff contender going into this season. I also have to finally agree with those who feel Briere should be bought out. I faught it but it's time now. Bryz is a different story. Keep him!
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 12 @ 11:56 AM ET
Perry will cost 7 years $9-10 million per possibly.
- NickTheKid87


if we could get him for danny hit then yes i would do it...that up there is too much lol
Jimmygrazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 04.23.2010

Mar 12 @ 11:57 AM ET
Well, nothing surprises me anymore regarding the Flyers or the NHL in general but, a 6.5million dollar cap hit for a player currently on pace for 22pts this year or 37pts on an 82 game schedule for another 3 years seems ideal for a buyout.
- shekkie


And I assume this latest press conference by Pronger almost guarantees he will not be bought out as well??
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Mar 12 @ 11:57 AM ET
his adjustment was to throw in his aging spare goalie against a team who can't play defense. perhaps he thought if i throw in this aging spare goalie the team will play defense and try to protect him. who the hell knows. i hated the decision.
- hammarby31


Did you listen to his post game interview about why he pulled Bryz? Same reason half the goalies get pulled in the NHL when the "team" has their head up their rear end...try and change the momentum to get the "team" going. He does it with timeouts too, like no other coach I've seen. Explain this to me, why did he need to adjust up 4-1 after one period? Sounds pretty stupid to fix something that isn't broken...the team quit playing when they had that lead, no more no less. Lavy can't go out on the ice and do it for them!
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 12 @ 11:57 AM ET
As far as I know he still gets a check from the flyers if he's bought out on top of whatever he gets in from his next team. When you consider that he has nothing to lose if bought out in terms of money.
- JoeRussomanno


Exactly. he actually will get paid MORE if he gets bought out, as he makes a high % of the money as well as what he'd make on a new contract.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 12 @ 11:58 AM ET
That's a viewpoint developed from recent PO failures (and regular season futility vs the Rangers).

Remember the 2010 PO's... they beat three straight defensive-inclined teams (BOS, MTL, NJD) to get to the Finals... I don't recall anybody claiming that he couldn't make those kinds of adjustments, then.

Of course, the team from 2010 looks a hell of a lot different than this 2013 iteration... think that might have something to do with it? And, if so, do you still lay the blame for that at the feet of the coach?

- Tomahawk

I think he had the right staff that year and frankly Boston was banged up as Jenna Jameson after a movie marathon. Also Pronger and Carle made a nice counter punch duo on the outlet against hard forechecking teams.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Mar 12 @ 11:58 AM ET
And I assume this latest press conference by Pronger almost guarantees he will not be bought out as well??
- Jimmygrazz



pronger cant be bought out...he is injured.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 12 @ 11:59 AM ET
which is all the more puzzling when he pulled bryz in a 4-4 game with plenty of time left for boucher who's played all of 5 minutes this year against loaded penguins team. it was certain disaster. i lay 100% of that loss on him.
- hammarby31



It should never have even gotten to 4-4. The team completely stopped working, and they had already burned the timeout, so the only move left was to pull Bryz for a short stoppage. The wheels were already mostly off the wagon at that point -- pulling Bryz was out of desperation. Whether it was Boucher or Bryz that let in that fifth goal was inconsequential -- with the way they were playing, it was inevitable.
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