Would the leafs ever consider Hemsky and a 2nd for gardiner? It would clear up our log jam on the Wing will returning a good puck moving defenseman

You have no idea how good/bad the Oil will finish the season. For all we know we could be getting 1st overall again... Trade any 1st rounder, just not this years
- OilerFanFromBC

I agree and after the first 5-7 picks I am not super excited by the draft.... I mean obviously there will be some later picks that become studs but what if you miss.. What if Furcale is the next Fichaud, and for every pick 10-30 that becomes a star there are 2-3 that never make the show or are 3rd liners at best..... I dont think Leafs will pick top 7 so I would trade Gardiner and our first for a bonafide 1st line centre.... I would risk Gardiner on your first because I think it is 50/50 you pick top 7......

Would the leafs ever consider Hemsky and a 2nd for gardiner? It would clear up our log jam on the Wing will returning a good puck moving defenseman
- Duckhunter011

I doubt they would. I know I never would. Gagner and Anaheim's 2nd makes more sense. Or our 1st rounder this year.

Guarantee Gagner for Gardiner would not happen. Simply because there was talk Bozak might not return as his contract is up and the leafs have priorities ahead of him. I dont see them trading for and then signing Gagner with Grabs tying up 5m and Kadri to be resigned. And if they add Gagner they would have: Bozak, Kadri, Grabovski, Gagner, Steckel, and McClement (although he can play wing) all on their roster. So of those who is the 4th line centre? Most likely Gagner, seems like a ridiculous waste to me.

I doubt they would. I know I never would. Gagner and Anaheim's 2nd makes more sense. Or our 1st rounder this year.
- SteveTambellini

Dear god I keep hoping you arent the real Steve Tambellini

Would the leafs ever consider Hemsky and a 2nd for gardiner? It would clear up our log jam on the Wing will returning a good puck moving defenseman
- Duckhunter011

We have JVR, Lupul Frattin and Kessel, so Hemsky is 3rd line... and we have Mac, Komorov, Kulemin...

Wing is where we are NHL ready Deepest.... Defense is our strength in terms of prospects....

We are weak at Centre although there is some hope in Colborne who is scoring at a point per game in the AHL since his wrist has healed (but he is far from guaranteed to play in the show)

Dear god I keep hoping you arent the real Steve Tambellini
- freelancer

You think anything less than that is going to get a defensemen like Gardiner? There is no chance.

You think anything less than that is going to get a defensemen like Gardiner? There is no chance.
- SteveTambellini

I agree.... Gardiner still has huge value to Toronto.... at the moment he is a casualty of circumstance...

There are two problems with Gagner.... Can the Oilers afford him long term? the other question is is he the pt per game gagner or not... He could very well be a star in this league......

We have JVR, Lupul Frattin and Kessel, so Hemsky is 3rd line... and we have Mac, Komorov, Kulemin...

Wing is where we are NHL ready Deepest.... Defense is our strength in terms of prospects....

We are weak at Centre although there is some hope in Colborne who is scoring at a point per game in the AHL since his wrist has healed (but he is far from guaranteed to play in the show)
- jribout

I agree. There's no way Hemsky is wanted by Tor. Assets that the oil have that the leafs would be interested in? Our draft picks, other than that... I don't even see them interested in Jones. So the only thing for Gardiner that makes sense is draft picks. Or picks and Belanger if the leafs want an extra C just in case for the playoffs but I don't really see that.

You think anything less than that is going to get a defensemen like Gardiner? There is no chance.
- SteveTambellini

Hes nowhere near proven enough for a return like that. I would rage if the Oilers did that deal. It would not fix our defensive shortcomings but it would certainly leave a huge hole at C.

Guarantee Gagner for Gardiner would not happen. Simply because there was talk Bozak might not return as his contract is up and the leafs have priorities ahead of him. I dont see them trading for and then signing Gagner with Grabs tying up 5m and Kadri to be resigned. And if they add Gagner they would have: Bozak, Kadri, Grabovski, Gagner, Steckel, and McClement (although he can play wing) all on their roster. So of those who is the 4th line centre? Most likely Gagner, seems like a ridiculous waste to me.
- iamwatchhockey

just a little confused.

i realize kadri's a natural center, but i thought hes been playin a fair amount of wing too.
and if what u say is true about bozak, then it would seem;

grabo
gagner
mcclement
steckel (who is benched at times too i thought)

with kadri on the wing.

just for conversation sake i thought id ask.
very skeptical on the deal from both sides as well.

i can understand hemmer not working as hes a winger, but it seems gags probably would.
just sayin..

How about mps and edm 1 for gardiner and Finn/Percy

How about mps and edm 1 for gardiner and Finn/Percy
- Pinnerflynner

no thx.

im not sure gardiners worth our first alone...let alone with prv whos starting to show what hes capable of

finn/percy, meh


our first at 5-10 i strongly consider it. (straight up for jake)

right now when it still could be first overall> no

just a little confused.

i realize kadri's a natural center, but i thought hes been playin a fair amount of wing too.
and if what u say is true about bozak, then it would seem;

grabo
gagner
mcclement
steckel (who is benched at times too i thought)

with kadri on the wing.

just for conversation sake i thought id ask.


very skeptical on the deal from both sides as well.

i can understand hemmer not working as hes a winger, but it seems gags probably would.
just sayin..
- hugefemale dog77

No Kadri is playing centre again.... has all year... it is the reason he has broken out this year......

If Bozak goes Gagner make work for the team, and its unproven (over a long period of time) for unproven asset....

No Kadri is playing centre again.... has all year... it is the reason he has broken out this year......

If Bozak goes Gagner may work for the team, and its unproven (over a long period of time) for unproven asset....
- jribout

[quote=jribout]
so kadris at 1
grabo at 2
bozak at 3

?

also, gags is really only gonna be effective in a top 6 center spot.
he play his heart out every game, but defensively hes very mediocre. he'll never be a quality 3rd line guy.

Hes nowhere near proven enough for a return like that. I would rage if the Oilers did that deal. It would not fix our defensive shortcomings but it would certainly leave a huge hole at C.
- sanfordnson

Hall would be a better centre than Gagner IMO. Gags' defensive play isn't that great and his FO% is horrific. How does that deal not fix our defensive shortcomings? Gardiner would fill the current void in our top 4. He had 30 points in his rookie season. You're not going to get a guy like that for any less of a return.

This is the thing that really bugs me about Oiler fans. Everybody seems to think that this is NHL 13 or something and every player in the league has a fixed value, saying things like "he's not worth that" or "thats way too much". The price is what it is based on the calibre of player and the current NHL market, and past trades have shown us this. I guarantee we as fans of the Oilers could find a reason to shoot down ANY possible trade. This guy isn't proven enough, that's too much to give up, blah, blah, blah. Well guess what? You don't get something for nothing in this league, and you're certainly not going to get any better without taking some risks. If you want to think the Oilers are going to get a 22 year old top 4 defensemen with top 2 potential for a price less than a pending RFA who's had one good half season and a 2nd round pick, then be my guest. But it's not going to happen. The Oilers have some serious holes right now, and they aren't going to be filled without paying the price and that's just how it is. To get better as a team, you have trade skill for skill, and that doesn't come without some risks. Or, we can just sit here and hope that someone gives us the moon for Hemsky, like most Oiler fans seem to do. /rant

so kadris at 1
grabo at 2
bozak at 3

?

also, gags is really only gonna be effective in a top 6 center spot.
he play his heart out every game, but defensively hes very mediocre. he'll never be a quality 3rd line guy.
- hugefemale dog77

Technically its Bozak 1, Grabo 2, Kadri 3......
Leaf Fans would argue Kadri 1, and fight over who is more garbage Bozak or Grabo....
I think we have 3 #2 lines.....

Kadri 25 pts, Bozak 14pts, Grabo 11 pts (although he has spent most of the year checking the other teams top line)

On paper Gagner would be top 6 on the leafs....

Maybe this is better for you guys?
Omark
Edm first
For
Gardiner
Ashton

Maybe this is better for you guys?
Omark
Edm first
For
Gardiner
Ashton
- Pinnerflynner

I'd probably do that. Ashton is a dud but at least we'd get something for the rights to Omark.

Hall would be a better centre than Gagner IMO. Gags' defensive play isn't that great and his FO% is horrific. How does that deal not fix our defensive shortcomings? Gardiner would fill the current void in our top 4. He had 30 points in his rookie season. You're not going to get a guy like that for any less of a return.

This is the thing that really bugs me about Oiler fans. Everybody seems to think that this is NHL 13 or something and every player in the league has a fixed value, saying things like "he's not worth that" or "thats way too much". The price is what it is based on the calibre of player and the current NHL market, and past trades have shown us this. I guarantee we as fans of the Oilers could find a reason to shoot down ANY possible trade. This guy isn't proven enough, that's too much to give up, blah, blah, blah. Well guess what? You don't get something for nothing in this league, and you're certainly not going to get any better without taking some risks. If you want to think the Oilers are going to get a 22 year old top 4 defensemen with top 2 potential for a price less than a pending RFA who's had one good half season and a 2nd round pick, then be my guest. But it's not going to happen. The Oilers have some serious holes right now, and they aren't going to be filled without paying the price and that's just how it is. To get better as a team, you have trade skill for skill, and that doesn't come without some risks. Or, we can just sit here and hope that someone gives us the moon for Hemsky, like most Oiler fans seem to do. /rant
- SteveTambellini

u still never actually addressed his comment even though u responded to it.

ur talking about filling one hole and making another one. an even bigger one most likely.

no ones saying gardiner wouldnt make us better, its just not worth it at that cost.

who plays 2 center?? and dont say horcoff or some 18 year old we'll draft.

Maybe this is better for you guys?
Omark
Edm first
For
Gardiner
Ashton
- Pinnerflynner

hmmmm. interesting

my earlier misgivings still stand though. holla at me again in ten games (TD) and we'll revisit this deal

I feel the need to address your trade proposition involving Gardiner. For starters, the Oilers would be half-witted to trade Gagner away just so that they could draft a "big, skilled 2C" at the coming draft. That doesn't help them now or in the near future (unless you get real lucky).

As I posted a few threads ago, if the Oil had a top-5 range pick in this year's draft and if Barkov were available for them to pick, it would be incredibly beneficial to draft him. The time he'd be required to spend in Finland would ultimately make for a better player in the long-term and would finally give the Oilers a little something called quality C depth. With this scenario in my head, I find it very difficult to even consider trading that 1st rounder if we keep our current pace in the standings (which is no guarantee, either). However, that's not to say I wouldn't have interest in trading for Gardiner. He would likely be an immediate improvement to our team and would be a great piece to add to our "puzzle".

While I believe our 2013 1st rounder is out of the question, I would have absolutely zero reservations about trading our 2014 1st + for a player like him. I have absolutely no idea what the + would be, so would anyone like to help me out? Conditional 2nd in 2013? Forward prospect?

...

I really want Barkov

I feel the need to address your trade proposition involving Gardiner. For starters, the Oilers would be half-witted to trade Gagner away just so that they could draft a "big, skilled 2C" at the coming draft. That doesn't help them now or in the near future (unless you get real lucky).

As I posted a few threads ago, if the Oil had a top-5 range pick in this year's draft and if Barkov were available for them to pick, it would be incredibly beneficial to draft him. The time he'd be required to spend in Finland would ultimately make for a better player in the long-term and would finally give the Oilers a little something called quality C depth. With this scenario in my head, I find it very difficult to even consider trading that 1st rounder if we keep our current pace in the standings (which is no guarantee, either). However, that's not to say I wouldn't have interest in trading for Gardiner. He would likely be an immediate improvement to our team and would be a great piece to add to our "puzzle".

While I believe our 2013 1st rounder is out of the question, I would have absolutely zero reservations about trading our 2014 1st + for a player like him. I have absolutely no idea what the + would be, so would anyone like to help me out? Conditional 2nd in 2013? Forward prospect?
- MaximumBone

Yeah I wouldn't do it...... Gardiner is top 4 with top 2 potential... his numbers last year are very similar to Schultz this year... less points but better plus minus....

Technically its Bozak 1, Grabo 2, Kadri 3......
Leaf Fans would argue Kadri 1, and fight over who is more garbage Bozak or Grabo....
I think we have 3 #2 lines.....

Kadri 25 pts, Bozak 14pts, Grabo 11 pts (although he has spent most of the year checking the other teams top line)

On paper Gagner would be top 6 on the leafs....
- jribout

i see.

we actually played three number 2 lines tonight which worked quite nicely i thought.
jones nuge ebs
hall horcoff hemsky
prv gags yakupov
( i really liked the 3rd)

we've been doing a clear 1, 2 and 3 all season with not alot of success.