i CAN'T BELIEVE i'm about to side with leaf fans, but i think oiler fans are DRASTICALLY underestimating the value of gardiner.

i would say his value is similar to justin schultz. he might not be quite at the same level offensively (although he's close), but after having seen a few games by each now, i can confidently say that gardiner is much stronger in his own end.

so, whatever you think fair value for schultz would be, maybe take a TINY bit off, and that's what you'd have to pay for gardiner.


ewwwww, i feel so dirty
- sensarmy_11

now go clean yourself up

now go clean yourself up
- deks1

You mean Ralph Kreuger and I
- Oildrum

Grammar Nazi

I remember last season when Gardiner was worth WAY UNBEFUK more than any of the Oilers young forwards.

How times change.
- DTF69

I remember when Gardiner was way better than Subban, playing in front of Reimer, who's way better than Price.

It's called being a knowledgable fanbase.

We have JVR, Lupul Frattin and Kessel, so Hemsky is 3rd line... and we have Mac, Komorov, Kulemin...

Wing is where we are NHL ready Deepest.... Defense is our strength in terms of prospects....

We are weak at Centre although there is some hope in Colborne who is scoring at a point per game in the AHL since his wrist has healed (but he is far from guaranteed to play in the show)
- jribout

Did you seriously include Matt "This Is Literally The Best I Will Ever Play" Frattin on your list of players you'd prefer to Hemsky?

gardiner has put 30pts in 75 games, while playing very very good in his own end. he's ATLEAST proven as much as schultz.......what is schultz worth?
- sensarmy_11

Last year. In a single year. This is my point he has not proven that he can sustain that.

Don't shift the posts to Gard v JSchultz...JS has nothing to do with Gard <-> Gag.

Gagner is a proven Top6 Center...Gardiner is still just a prospect.

We need more proven in our lineup and less prospect...and the center position is not one that the team is deep in.

Last year. In a single year. This is my point he has not proven that he can sustain that.

Don't shift the posts to Gard v JSchultz...JS has nothing to do with Gard <-> Gag.

Gagner is a proven Top6 Center...Gardiner is still just a prospect.

We need more proven in our lineup and less prospect...and the center position is not one that the team is deep in.
- OilHorse

If Gardiner is so good why is he not in the Leaf's line-up right now. Lets leave at, he's a good prospect.

i see.

we actually played three number 2 lines tonight which worked quite nicely i thought.
jones nuge ebs
hall horcoff hemsky
prv gags yakupov
( i really liked the 3rd)

we've been doing a clear 1, 2 and 3 all season with not alot of success.
- hugefemale dog77

Agreed, I loved the way those lines played together.

It was the second game consecutively that MPS/Gags/Yak were together and they have put points up on the boards in both games.

I liked the grit factor added to Nuge/Ebs...just wish Jonesy had better hands.

Triple H line works well...wish Hemsky had more grit.

I even enjoyed watching the Brown/Smyth/Petrell line crashing the Avs Dcorp last night. Looked like Smyth had some jump, even saw Corky really tossing some big hits instead of just rubbing a guy on the boards. Brown has added a good does of energy to that line that is proving to be contagious.

If Gardiner is so good why is he not in the Leaf's line-up right now. Lets leave at, he's a good prospect.
- Champ

I agree partly with you. I get he is coming back from a concussion and the team may be taking time with him. He may also be a casualty of other guys stepping up.

But yes, right now he has not proven he is Mr. Awesomesauce in a trade...he is just a prospect.

Last year. In a single year. This is my point he has not proven that he can sustain that.

Don't shift the posts to Gard v JSchultz...JS has nothing to do with Gard <-> Gag.

Gagner is a proven Top6 Center...Gardiner is still just a prospect.

We need more proven in our lineup and less prospect...and the center position is not one that the team is deep in.
- OilHorse

he was hurt. RNH hasn't proven he can sustain what he did last year, does that mean he's now unproven and not worth much?

Do you see the minutes Beauchemin plays. The Duck would not be a Cup contender right now with Lupuk and Gardiner.
- Champ

True enough. But as a leafs fan, do you send both of those 2 players back for Beauchemin even if he was still 30? based on the leafs time line to success I believe Lupul+Gardiner is a better suit for their team. BUT, i guess both teams win in the grand scheme of things? If im the oilers i take Beauchemin too, as we could seriously use a 23 min Top 4 guy.

Last year. In a single year. This is my point he has not proven that he can sustain that.

Don't shift the posts to Gard v JSchultz...JS has nothing to do with Gard <-> Gag.

Gagner is a proven Top6 Center...Gardiner is still just a prospect.

We need more proven in our lineup and less prospect...and the center position is not one that the team is deep in.
- OilHorse

my point isnt' to shift anything, it's to point out that gardiner has much value then you seem to be giving him.

perhaps you need gagner more than gardiner, that's fine...but some of the suggested offers for gardiner were ridiculous

he was hurt. RNH hasn't proven he can sustain what he did last year, does that mean he's now unproven and not worth much?
- sensarmy_11

Karlsson is hurt, he cant sustain sh!t. His achillies will be the end of him. Trade Spezza and Karlsson to the leafs for Gardiner since his one year was so fantastical

I remember when Gardiner was way better than Subban, playing in front of Reimer, who's way better than Price.

It's called being a knowledgable fanbase.
- oniremosewa

Seriously, do you see the minutes Subban logs. This is his 3rd full season in the NHL while Gardiner has trouble cracking a Leaf line-up that has not made the playoffs in 8 years. Subban keeps playing like he is now and he is a potential Team Canada. Gardiner is a potential Leaf. Once again, Gardiner is a good prospect. Subban is a budding star.

Karlsson is hurt, he cant sustain sh!t. His achillies will be the end of him. Trade Spezza and Karlsson to the leafs for Gardiner since his one year was so fantastical
- JShack

great post, very insightful and intelligent. do you normally get this bitter when people point out your shortcomings?

True enough. But as a leafs fan, do you send both of those 2 players back for Beauchemin even if he was still 30? based on the leafs time line to success I believe Lupul+Gardiner is a better suit for their team. BUT, i guess both teams win in the grand scheme of things? If im the oilers i take Beauchemin too, as we could seriously use a 23 min Top 4 guy.
- JShack

Exactly. It works out well for both teams. I thought it was a bad trade for Anaheim at the time. But look where Anaheim is and he helped the young Defensemen develop.

I remember last season when Gardiner was worth WAY UNBEFUK more than any of the Oilers young forwards.

How times change.
- DTF69

I remember when a young dtf had a problem coming home to his parents fully dressed.

Seriously, do you see the minutes Subban logs. This is his 3rd full season in the NHL while Gardiner has trouble cracking a Leaf line-up that has not made the playoffs in 8 years. Subban keeps playing like he is now and he is a potential Team Canada. Gardiner is a potential Leaf. Once again, Gardiner is a good prospect. Subban is a budding star.
- Champ

I'm assuming you're a Habs fan?

I'm giving your organization huge props for the way its turned itself around. I thought the way they handled the Subban contract was superb and am incredibly jealous of just how good he could/will be.

Also, since i grew up playing with Gallagher, i'm so excited what he's brought for your team. He is an incredibly hard worker, well conditioned(physically) and a very humble well spoken kid. I'd love to have that undersized beast on the Oilers.

great post, very insightful and intelligent. do you normally get this bitter when people point out your shortcomings?
- sensarmy_11

Absolutely.

Nuges 'sophomore scoring slump'(notice how I refered to the scoring and not the rest of his game) isn't the same god damn thing as Gardiner's inability to crack the leafs roster/concussion injury. He's 19(3 years younger), a first overall draft pick and lightyears better than Gardiner. They aren't comparable. As for him and J Schultz, I'd say you're right. But I personally believe that your assessment of JSchultz's defensive game is wrong.

i CAN'T BELIEVE i'm about to side with leaf fans, but i think oiler fans are DRASTICALLY underestimating the value of gardiner.

i would say his value is similar to justin schultz. he might not be quite at the same level offensively (although he's close), but after having seen a few games by each now, i can confidently say that gardiner is much stronger in his own end.

so, whatever you think fair value for schultz would be, maybe take a TINY bit off, and that's what you'd have to pay for gardiner.


ewwwww, i feel so dirty
- sensarmy_11

So what you are saying is wait for him to walk from Toronto.

Absolutely.

Nuges 'sophomore scoring slump'(notice how I refered to the scoring and not the rest of his game) isn't the same god damn thing as Gardiner's inability to crack the leafs roster/concussion injury. He's 19(3 years younger), a first overall draft pick and lightyears better than Gardiner. They aren't comparable. As for him and J Schultz, I'd say you're right. But I personally believe that your assessment of JSchultz's defensive game is wrong.
- JShack

i never said gardiner was as good as RNH....you pointed out gardiner had one good year, and then seemed to regress. i simply pointed out that RNH did the same thing, but i highly doubt you feel his value was affected in the slightest.

as for schultz, i never said anything bad about his defensive game, i simply said gardiner was better in his own zone.

and as for not cracking the lineup, the kid was injured, and then was simply a victim of the numbers game. the only guy they could send down to bring gardiner up was holzer ( i believe) but he was playing well, and what kind of message does it send to the team if a guy who plays his ass off every night gets sent down. everyone knew gardiner was coming back up, the kid is playing fantastic in teh AHL right now, it was just a matter of time. his value is the same, or close, now to what it was last year....atleast in the eyes of the leafs organization. what he would have cost last year, is exactly what he'd cost now.

Absolutely.

Nuges 'sophomore scoring slump'(notice how I refered to the scoring and not the rest of his game) isn't the same god damn thing as Gardiner's inability to crack the leafs roster/concussion injury. He's 19(3 years younger), a first overall draft pick and lightyears better than Gardiner. They aren't comparable. As for him and J Schultz, I'd say you're right. But I personally believe that your assessment of JSchultz's defensive game is wrong.
- JShack

The perception of Schultz from non-Oilers fans seems to be 'yeh he's good offensively but he's a complete liability in his own end so it's good we didn't get him'

So what you are saying is wait for him to walk from Toronto.
- Lahey

could be a possiblity actually.....maybe not walk, but after his agents stunt, and the leafs keeping him down too long, i could see him demanding a trade.

now THAT would probably diminish his value a little bit....but he's "regression" due to an injury doesn't, IMO.

The perception of Schultz from non-Oilers fans seems to be 'yeh he's good offensively but he's a complete liability in his own end so it's good we didn't get him'
- robin_steele264

it's funny how you guys all said the same thing about karlsson for 2 years, and we told you that you just didn't watch him play, and didn't realize how good he was in his own end.

kind of funny when the shoe is on the other foot.

it's funny how you guys all said the same thing about karlsson for 2 years, and we told you that you just didn't watch him play, and didn't realize how good he was in his own end.

kind of funny when the shoe is on the other foot.
- sensarmy_11

I never said that... Thought he was awesome for quite some time now.