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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:18 PM ET
Jsaq, if you want to defend in Gervais in any way alright.

The guy shouldnt be playing another game for this team. He is brutal. I dont care how many games he has played, he is who he is for a reason.

Yzerman signed him, and released him on a piss poor Tampa bay D-core. Gervais is far from their only problems. However every player matters.

- flyer_nutter


He is who he is for a reason. What do you think happens to a marginal 3rd pair depth defenseman when you play him on a team that is porous defensively as a team. Do you really think that player is going to look good? And is going to thrive in that situation?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 13 @ 9:19 PM ET
It's YOUR fault.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:19 PM ET
spirit of the room?
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:19 PM ET
spirit of the room?
- wilsonecho91


Statement period.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 13 @ 9:20 PM ET
Thank you (frank)ing Keith Jones.

"This Flyer defense just isn't talented enough"

They are not. Not in any way, to play the system that Lava wants of them. Fire his ass, because they wont be any time soon.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:20 PM ET
Terry Murray was brought in to be the Phantoms coach...

...and then to replace Lavi when they lose the second game of this home and home.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 13 @ 9:21 PM ET
Frack it dude, lets go bowling
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:21 PM ET
Terry Murray was brought in to be the Phantoms coach...

...and then to replace Lavi when they lose the second game of this home and home.

- GirouxForTheShow

GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:21 PM ET
Thank you (frank)ing Keith Jones.

"This Flyer defense just isn't talented enough"

They are not. Not in any way, to play the system that Lava wants of them. Fire his ass, because they wont be any time soon.

- flyer_nutter


That's my biggest issue. You have Schenn and Grossman, instead of Pronger and Carle. Change the system. Tweak the system. There is nothing but aggressive stupidity.

AGGRESSIVE STUPIDITY
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 13 @ 9:21 PM ET
spirit of the room?
- wilsonecho91


Relieved because the rebuild has to start soon.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:22 PM ET

- FlyerGuy


At least for the interim.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 13 @ 9:22 PM ET
Rinaldo plays well most nights but he isn't under fire because of a bad team. He isn't gonna possibly be bought out because of a bad team....uhh hello??
- SuperSchennBros


You said Bryz was the only one showing up. My post was stating that was not true.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:22 PM ET
Relieved because the rebuild has to start soon.
- opeth_pa


Rebuild started beginning of last year.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 13 @ 9:22 PM ET
It can work. With the right kind of players. He doesn't have the right kind of players.

If I had Wayne Gretzky, Jari Kurri, Paul Coffey, Mark Messier and Glenn Anderson, I'd be an idiot to play the same style the 1995 Devils did. It would be poor use of a group of assets.

Conversely, if I had the 1995 Devils, I wouldn't play the system that the Oilers did, because it'd get my team killed.

Laviolette's playing a system that doesn't maximize the abilities of his roster, and worse, fails to protect and hide the weaknesses of his team. If they still had Pronger and Carle, along with a healthy Timonen and Laviolette's system looks a lot better.

- Jsaquella


Just a personal thing but I always believed in a system that played to your strengths.

Not in a system that hid your weakness. That is playing not to lose.

Which is funny, because that is exactly what they need to do. They need to hide the weakness. Lava pisses me off, as do the players, but Holmgren does so much more.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 13 @ 9:22 PM ET
HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL????
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Truculent. Bellicose.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:22 PM ET
Dont know, he is set in his ways. I dont really think you would also see a guy like Babcock change his style either.

Babcock's style would also have this team exposing a lot of the areas of weakness. It pisses me off Lava cant adapt, even just for this season. However it pisses me off even more than management wanted THIS. They wanted an aggressive identity. They brought in Lava. Yet gave him a crew that cant play it.

- flyer_nutter

It seems to me management wanted to cut down on goals, considering they gave him a team that lost a puck moving defender and gained a shutdown defender. There's something to be said for giving him a different set of tools from what he wants, but the failure of running the same style in all game situations against all teams (and the problems it's yielded) is a coaching failure.
bird_dog
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PEI
Joined: 09.30.2011

Mar 13 @ 9:23 PM ET
Blah blah blah

When your this bad as a franchise this year the poop is smeared all over the wall all the way from the top of the wall starting from the crown molding to under the wood planking saturating the subfloor.

If Lavi wants the team to play an uptempo game then why does Homer sogn Gervais, Foster, trade for Luke Schenn. I like Luke Schenn but not the point. So when plan A fails with Suter and Weber and you do plan C make sure your telling Lavy change things to incorporate what we now have not what you wish you had.

I see far to many players just invisible for stretches of games. Just dumb decision making all over the ice.
The flyers have been giveaway prone for years. Where is the composure?

Another team meeting? Pfft just a symptom of the disease that is this team.

This rant was brought to you by omaha steaks bratwursts and henninger pounders!

If this team was as tasty as that dinner then they are up 2 games to 1 and winning game 4 with 1 minute left in the stanley cup playoffs.
cdjaakkola
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.08.2013

Mar 13 @ 9:23 PM ET
Thank you (frank)ing Keith Jones.

"This Flyer defense just isn't talented enough"

They are not. Not in any way, to play the system that Lava wants of them. Fire his ass, because they wont be any time soon.

- flyer_nutter


System? Not tonight, what a joke! Expecting a spirited tight one goal game and this?
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 13 @ 9:23 PM ET
HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL????
- Don'tForgetTocchet


i can only assume unhappy. i'm unaware of your attachment to that number/player.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 13 @ 9:23 PM ET
That's my biggest issue. You have Schenn and Grossman, instead of Pronger and Carle. Change the system. Tweak the system. There is nothing but aggressive stupidity.

AGGRESSIVE STUPIDITY

- GirouxForTheShow

I think we have our next Flyers' t-shirt slogan.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 13 @ 9:23 PM ET
Just a personal thing but I always believed in a system that played to your strengths.

Not in a system that hid your weakness. That is playing not to lose.

Which is funny, because that is exactly what they need to do. They need to hide the weakness. Lava pisses me off, as do the players, but Holmgren does so much more.

- flyer_nutter


It's time to call Cal Heeter up.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 13 @ 9:24 PM ET
Rebuild started beginning of last year.
- GirouxForTheShow

Exactly. Just 'cause they overachieved for the second "rebuild" in a row (see 2007-08 for the first), doesn't mean that it wasn't a retool/rebuild/restart/refresh.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 13 @ 9:24 PM ET
You said Bryz was the only one showing up. My post was stating that was not true.
- Flyskippy

I think you see what you want to see. I also used the key words "most nights". I'm talking about the season as a whole. I always have been. Disagree all you want. Doesn't make you anymore right. It's amazing Bryz has anything resembling a 500 record.

Give Rinaldo the "C" though.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 13 @ 9:24 PM ET
i can only assume unhappy. i'm unaware of your attachment to that number/player.
- hammarby31

It's her age. Always.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 13 @ 9:24 PM ET
Just a personal thing but I always believed in a system that played to your strengths.

Not in a system that hid your weakness. That is playing not to lose.

Which is funny, because that is exactly what they need to do. They need to hide the weakness. Lava pisses me off, as do the players, but Holmgren does so much more.

- flyer_nutter


What is Homer to do? He did what he could to get the best UFA and best RFA defenseman. I don't see where he is at fault.
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