Lots of hate going on and I dont like it.
- stveshdy

Ah. FWIW, I'm not even remotely angry. I remember 2006-07, 1989-1994, etc.

Maybe its time to turn off the TV and the interweb haha.

Nutter is feeling the peanut shells start to crack.

Briere with a boarding?

Not gonna pull Bryz now but we pulled him in Pittsburgh?! Come the (frank) on
- JoeRussomanno

That's just it. They shouldn't have in the Pens game and they should tonight. Ridiculous.

JVR would certainly fix the team defensive issues that his team has, and the reasons why they are a bad team. The second sentence is just flat out ridiculous.
- MJL

Luke is still maturing and will be solid and JVR didn`t have the opp at the time, great trade for both teams.

Briere checked someone, itmust be snowing in hell!

Maybe its time to turn off the TV and the interweb haha.

Nutter is feeling the peanut shells start to crack.
- flyer_nutter

We're turning on each other...

Holmgren gave up one of the biggest assets for a one dimensional d-man.

Threw out money for FA but once that failed, do not tell me the best he could have done is bring in Luke Schenn, Foster and Gervais. The Flyers will always have to overpay for talented d-men. They will have to do so now, they will have had to then.
- flyer_nutter

He probably could have. But any other off season, he lands one of Suter or Weber and there's a much smaller issue.

But he couldn't do anything about it after September. Laviolette had all winter to formulate tweaks with the defense he had and did nothing that is readily apparent.

Ah. FWIW, I'm not even remotely angry. I remember 2006-07, 1989-1994, etc.
- Flyskippy

Anyone who thinks this team is heading in the right direction is nuts. I didnt expect them to get beat this bad but I did figure they would lose b/c their not very good.

Pfft that was a dive, Briere hits like Matt Carle shoots from the blueline.

Theres not much we can do. Either watch or dont. Its fine to voice an opinion but dont let them get you angry.
- stveshdy

when it gets to this point, anger is a pure waste of energy and emotion.

i'm there. have been for awhile.
- hammarby31

Kinda surprised at your lack of irascibility tonight, I gotta tell you. I'm impressed.

Ah. FWIW, I'm not even remotely angry. I remember 2006-07, 1989-1994, etc.
- Flyskippy

condensed agony better than 1000 cuts of 82 gms...buyouts, draft, trade...optimism high

Ah. FWIW, I'm not even remotely angry. I remember 2006-07, 1989-1994, etc.
- Flyskippy

I'm not angry, either. Little frustrated, but I expected them to lose and have given up on the playoffs anyhow.

good job, hartnell.

Nutter, we're cool, but JVR for Schenn reversed means JVR is up front and Gervais and Foster are playing with maybe Wade Redden coming in. Not going to be a difference maker when this team is circling the drain nightly.
- Flyskippy

I'm guessing he wanted a "better" defenseman than Schenn. Or a more offensive guy. This team would suck worse without Schenn on D, even if they had JVR. I think the fact that the JVR/Schenn trade was rumored for a while and took a while to make (even with JVR's injuries last year) means Holmgren probably talked to a lot of teams about it. I think ultimately, he really did get the best he could for JVR. That may simply be the reality of the situation, and not some fantasy land where they should have gotten Pietrangelo or something for JVR+

Nutter, we're cool, but JVR for Schenn reversed means JVR is up front and Gervais and Foster are playing with maybe Wade Redden coming in. Not going to be a difference maker when this team is circling the drain nightly.
- Flyskippy

Skip, at the same time you give up JVR in a very risky trade. JVR showed to have potential to be a game changer.

Luke Schenn was always going to be a one dimensional d-man. Even at the time I think many of us saw it as giving up one of the best assets in a very arguable trade.

Holmgren should face a lot of heat here as well. He has made some good moves, but a lot of bad ones as well.

when it gets to this point, anger is a pure waste of energy and emotion.
- hammarby31

Amen... What about sadistic torture and murder?

I'm not angry, either. Little frustrated, but I expected them to lose and have given up on the playoffs anyhow.
- Jsaquella

I saw your post when I got home in regards to how you "felt" about tonight's game, Star Wars-style.

wasn't called on Briere, so Harts made sure.

when it gets to this point, anger is a pure waste of energy and emotion.
- hammarby31

I'm with you. Past that point b/c I dont think their very good. Once you accept that it takes away the sting.

when it gets to this point, anger is a pure waste of energy and emotion.
- hammarby31

The players don't give a rats ass, why should the fans?

We're turning on each other...


- Flyskippy

No its all good. I'm fine with everyone on here, expect those looking to debate for no other reason than that.

Just a frustrating time to be a fan. At the end of the day, I put the blame everywhere. On everyone.

How about not giving up JVR for a one dimensional d-man?

I think its time to admit the Flyers got their ass felt up on that deal. Gave up a big asset.

I am not Holmgren, and do not have his contacts, but I find it a little hard to believe the best he could do was Luke Schenn, Foster and Gervais.

Flyers have scored no 3rd period goals in last 6 games.
- flyer_nutter

Ouch. No shot I will admit to any ass feelings. JvR has how many dimensions?

Defensive defenseman take the longest to develop in my opinion, even longer than goalies. I'd give Schenn at least till he is 28 until I declare any winners on that trade. But to call Schenn one dimensional and not even mention JvRs vast hockey "dimensions" is laughable at best.

Skip, at the same time you give up JVR in a very risky trade. JVR showed to have potential to be a game changer.

Luke Schenn was always going to be a one dimensional d-man. Even at the time I think many of us saw it as giving up one of the best assets in a very arguable trade.

Holmgren should face a lot of heat here as well. He has made some good moves, but a lot of bad ones as well.
- flyer_nutter

Everyone from Mr. Snider and Peter Luukko on down should face the heat here.