You know, other teams are able to play an aggressive forechecking style and make it work.

It's just the Flyers don't do it well at all.

How many times do the forwards get in deep when they really had no chance on a play?
Or the D man pinches with little hope of getting the puck?

If the other team has solid control of the puck, too many times the Flyers come at them, and are late and then end up chasing the play.

You can have three forwards in deep when you have the puck or have at least a great chance of getting it.

If they want to chase it all game long, then bring up some of the speedy skaters from the Phantoms.

Better yet, use some brains when to go all out and when to drop back.
I can't believe that the coach is telling them to always chase the puck even when they have no shot at getting possession.
- Marc D

harry z

How can you not? It happens game after game, with a wide range of players. It's painfully obvious. Especially if you know Laviolette's history and his system.
- MJL

I know both his history and his system and I still don't believe it for and instant.

"OK guys, I want to see three ill timed line changes this period that'll lead to odd man rushes in addition to taking another four brain dead penalties".

I know both his history and his system and I still don't believe it for and instant.

"OK guys, I want to see three ill timed line changes this period that'll lead to odd man rushes in addition to taking another four brain dead penalties".
- 77rams

I'm curious then. Because the example you've given, really has nothing to do with the system. What is Laviolette's system?

(But you could've stopped after the first line. The second seems a bit forced. )
- Scoob

Hall's Extra Strength

Not even close to what I said. They are being told to execute within the system. In the opening minutes of the last game against the Devils. Nik Grossmann aggressively pinches in. And they chip the puck past him for a two on one. Grossmann did not wake up and decide that he's Bobby Orr. Same thing happened throughout the game. And has been happening all Season.
- MJL

So you believe Grossmann is ordered to pinch even if he knows he had no chance of keeping the puck in or knows he had no back support.

I know both his history and his system and I still don't believe it for and instant.

"OK guys, I want to see three ill timed line changes this period that'll lead to odd man rushes in addition to taking another four brain dead penalties".
- 77rams

exactly. He wants them to be aggressive...not stupid

I'm curious then. Because the example you've given, really has nothing to do with the system. What is Laviolette's system?
- MJL

Blindly do as I say even though it has zero chance of succeeding.

So you believe Grossmann is ordered to pinch even if he knows he had no chance of keeping the puck in or knows he had no back support.
- 77rams

Yes, the Flyers are an over aggressive team. The defenseman are taught and told to gamble on the puck and apply pressure to keep the puck in, on plays up the wall on the other teams breakouts. It is not a read and react situation. It is the Forward responsibility to back up the defenseman. Watch tonight or re watch the last Devils game. They counter it with a Center breakout.

Hall's Extra Strength
- Flyskippy

aka Menthol Death


"I love the smell of menthol in the morning."

Hall's Extra Strength
- Flyskippy

Blindly do as I say even though it has zero chance of succeeding.
- 77rams

In Laviolette's eyes it has every chance of succeeding. He's won a Cup playing it. His system has no prayer of working without full commitment or any hesitation on the forecheck or on the pinch. It is a pure pressure, attack system.

Blindly do as I say even though it has zero chance of succeeding.
- 77rams

Did Lavy order the code red?

I know both his history and his system and I still don't believe it for and instant.

"OK guys, I want to see three ill timed line changes this period that'll lead to odd man rushes in addition to taking another four brain dead penalties".
- 77rams

This is Laviolette behind the bench.

They fire lavy yet?

Yes, the Flyers are an over aggressive team. The defenseman are taught and told to gamble on the puck and apply pressure to keep the puck in, on plays up the wall on the other teams breakouts. It is not a read and react situation. It is the Forward responsibility to back up the defenseman. Watch tonight or re watch the last Devils game. They counter it with a Center breakout.
- MJL

I think "gamble" is an over exaggeration.

And if the forward lazily floats back to cover, that's Laviolette's fault?

Yes, the Flyers are an over aggressive team. The defenseman are taught and told to gamble on the puck and apply pressure to keep the puck in, on plays up the wall on the other teams breakouts. It is not a read and react situation. It is the Forward responsibility to back up the defenseman. Watch tonight or re watch the last Devils game. They counter it with a Center breakout.
- MJL

Deboer is the man when it comes to breakouts.

In Laviolette's eyes it has every chance of succeeding. He's won a Cup playing it. His system has no prayer of working without full commitment or any hesitation on the forecheck or on the pinch. It is a pure pressure, attack system.
- MJL

So the answer is to acquire players who are more non-committed?

aka Menthol Death


"I love the smell of menthol in the morning."
- BulliesPhan87

nice hat.

I think "gamble" is an over exaggeration.

And if the forward lazily floats back to cover, that's Laviolette's fault?
- 77rams

When it keeps happening game after game, with player after player. Yes it is his fault. So he has two choices. Correct those mistakes, or change style of play. Laviolette has done neither. "Gamble" is not an over exaggeration. It fits Laviolette's style perfectly.

Deboer is the man when it comes to breakouts.


- PLindbergh31

stop it. that's randy quaid.

stop it. that's randy quaid.
- hammarby31

Deboer couldn't pull off a blue leisure suit, and white leather shoes on his best day.

harry z
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Harry Z, Wellwood, maybe others.

Speed would help with Lavi's system.
Look at Le Habs. Lots of speedy smaller players.

Although their speedsters have more offensive skill then Harry Z and Wellwood.

So the answer is to acquire players who are more non-committed?
- 77rams

You've been telling me that you know Laviolette's system. I'm explaining that if you hesitate on the forecheck or on the pinch, you'll be late getting there. That's why I'm telling you that it's not a read and react. Unless the opposition clearly has posession of the puck and is skating it out. Then obviously the defense is to retreat. But when ever the puck is along the wall, and up for grabs, he wants his defenseman up on the play.

The real answer with this team, is to change styles of play.

Deboer couldn't pull off a blue leisure suit, and white leather shoes on his best day.
- PLindbergh31

i'd love to see him try.

You've been telling me that you know Laviolette's system. I'm explaining that if you hesitate on the forecheck or on the pinch, you'll be late getting there. That's why I'm telling you that it's not a read and react. Unless the opposition clearly has posession of the puck and is skating it out. Then obviously the defense is to retreat. But when ever the puck is along the wall, and up for grabs, he wants his defenseman up on the play.

The real answer with this team, is to change styles of play.
- MJL

To change style of play is the real answer.

They have shown they are too stupid, not talented enough on the back end, can't pay attention to detail, and inconsistent to play any kind of pressuring aggressive scheme.

They should change styles, because this group cant play that way. Not really a compliment...