Dust off those Stafford, Sekera, and a 3rd proposals for Bobby Ryan!
- Gunner Staal

Pommer and Sekera for Ryan

just for fun......

what would it take to get pommer or vanek in a trade to ottawa (assuming sens kept all the cap hit for either player)

i would assume that bishop would be part of the deal, allowing you to pursue moving miller.

assuming the sens "untouchables" are - spezza, karlsson, cowen, zibanejad, silfverberg, turris, lehner.

would a move like:

bishop, noessen, 1st for vanek/pommer be enough?

number 1 goalie, top six winger, and another 1st rd pick to help in the rebuild. plus a poopload of extra capspace.
- sensarmy_11

Uh...no.

To get, you have to give.

Be prepared to give up one of your "untouchables".

Darcy wouldn't trade within the division anyway, even it this was just for fun.

Or the video game GMs who make 16 trades on their playstation and think it's realistic to do that in real life.
- Powerslave

Exactly.

Or the video game GMs who make 16 trades on their playstation and think it's realistic to do that in real life.
- Powerslave

WHAT???

are you telling me that my trade of michalek and neil for yakupov and eberle, that i made in nhl12....would infact NOT go through in real life?

that's bullpoop

wgr interviewing RR.

dont like him. he talks up "his guys"- porter, flynn, pysyk...

and the whole grigo needed to earn his minutes makes him look like a total hypocrite with so many passengers on this team.

this organization will go nowhere as long as the coach/gm are fighting for their jobs. all the moves wreak of desperation...

Soooooooooooooo

In conclusion...

Pommer> vanek
- JVince11

sabres < Rochester Americans

If the Ducks weren't willing to be sellers last year when they finished 13th, what would make them even think about trading a player of Bobby Ryan's caliber this year when they're 2nd in the whole league and are actually legitimate Cup contenders? And why would the 2nd worst team in the league magically become buyers?

Bobby Ryan is not the odd man out. He's signed for 2 1/2 more years at a very Cap-friendly number. They might have a problem in 2015 when his deal expires, but until then, I don't think he's going anywhere. Also, last year when the Bobby Ryan rumors were out in full force, it was pretty much understood that Philly was the #1 contender, and that the Ducks were asking for Brayden Schenn AND Sean Couturier. Now ask yourself, Buffalo, would you be willing to part with two comparable young guns to get Bobby Ryan, when your team is likely about to enter a full rebuild? Those are the kind of players you want to hold on to in a rebuild, they are the players you are rebuilding around.

Bobby Ryan is not going to be traded for spare parts like Stafford, or Sekera, or 3rd round picks. He's also not gonna be traded for players like Vanek, because that's basically a wash. In fact, Vanek is probably better.

A team would have to blow the Ducks away with an offer to get Ryan, and I don't see that happening.
- gtrman09

That starts my morning off right.

EDIT: Ryan and Vanek with Cody in the middle sounds very appetizing.

Pommer and Sekera for Ryan
- RynoBull

Salary would be the reason Ducks would move Ryan, not performance, why would they take on more salary?

just for fun......

what would it take to get pommer or vanek in a trade to ottawa (assuming sens kept all the cap hit for either player)

i would assume that bishop would be part of the deal, allowing you to pursue moving miller.

assuming the sens "untouchables" are - spezza, karlsson, cowen, zibanejad, silfverberg, turris, lehner.

would a move like:

bishop, noessen, 1st for vanek/pommer be enough?

number 1 goalie, top six winger, and another 1st rd pick to help in the rebuild. plus a poopload of extra capspace.
- sensarmy_11

Deal.

Salary would be the reason Ducks would move Ryan, not performance, why would they take on more salary?
- Gunner Staal

sorry I forgot the

Uh...no.

To get, you have to give.

Be prepared to give up one of your "untouchables".

Darcy wouldn't trade within the division anyway, even it this was just for fun.
- Powerslave

really, both guys are 30+ (actually i think vanek is 29, you'd know better than me). vanek has a BRUTAL contract/cap hit, which he's never really lived up to until this year.

i think that deal isn't that far off. that's almost as good as the return for nash, and neither of those players would likely get even that much in return.

i do agree that it's unlikely a trade within the division would happen, but you never know. sens have dealt with boston in the past.....and we ALL KNOW that the bruins have dealt with the leafs

sorry I forgot the
- RynoBull

If you wanted some realistic options a guy like Armia would certainly be involved.

The Sabres would certainly not be the only team looking to acquire Ryan's services.

Truthfully I see the Ducks shedding Hiller's 4.5M after the season if Fasth continues to play well and that will buy them even more time to keep Ryan around.

really, both guys are 30+ (actually i think vanek is 29, you'd know better than me). vanek has a BRUTAL contract/cap hit, which he's never really lived up to until this year.

i think that deal isn't that far off. that's almost as good as the return for nash, and neither of those players would likely get even that much in return.

i do agree that it's unlikely a trade within the division would happen, but you never know. sens have dealt with boston in the past.....and we ALL KNOW that the bruins have dealt with the leafs
- sensarmy_11

Agreed. We will be lucky to get a return like that. I was thinking a Top 6 forward, 1st, and decent prospect would be the ceiling for a Vanek trade

just for fun......

what would it take to get pommer or vanek in a trade to ottawa (assuming sens kept all the cap hit for either player)

i would assume that bishop would be part of the deal, allowing you to pursue moving miller.

assuming the sens "untouchables" are - spezza, karlsson, cowen, zibanejad, silfverberg, turris, lehner.

would a move like:

bishop, noessen, 1st for vanek/pommer be enough?

number 1 goalie, top six winger, and another 1st rd pick to help in the rebuild. plus a poopload of extra capspace.
- sensarmy_11

Nothing personal but aside from Karlsson, Spezza, Turris and the goalies I'm not dishing my top guys for anyone else on your roster.

Plus, even Darcy wouldn't deal to a division rival unless it were a big name for a big name type deal.

If you wanted some realistic options a guy like Armia would certainly be involved.

The Sabres would certainly not be the only team looking to acquire Ryan's services.

Truthfully I see the Ducks shedding Hiller's 4.5M after the season if Fasth continues to play well and that will buy them even more time to keep Ryan around.
- Gunner Staal

As much as Ryan will probably be a better player his whole career. I would be hesitant to move Armia+ for him. Just have a feeling Armia might be pretty good.

just for fun......

what would it take to get pommer or vanek in a trade to ottawa (assuming sens kept all the cap hit for either player)

i would assume that bishop would be part of the deal, allowing you to pursue moving miller.

assuming the sens "untouchables" are - spezza, karlsson, cowen, zibanejad, silfverberg, turris, lehner.

would a move like:

bishop, noessen, 1st for vanek/pommer be enough?
number 1 goalie, top six winger, and another 1st rd pick to help in the rebuild. plus a poopload of extra capspace.
- sensarmy_11

I would do this for Pominville!

Nothing personal but aside from Karlsson, Spezza, Turris and the goalies I'm not dishing my top guys for anyone else on your roster.

Plus, even Darcy wouldn't deal to a division rival unless it were a big name for a big name type deal.
- Pairo11

i included a goalie, aswell as a 1st, and teh sens best prospect who's not currently on the NHL roster.

that's an ideal return for a team looking to rebuild. why would darcy want to trade a 30 year old for another 30 year old, wouldn't you rather have 3 very good young pieces that will help you move forward. both bishop (26) and noessen (20) are good enough RIGHT NOW to play on your NHL roster. and will be contributing players for the next decade or more. plus, having mulitple 1st rd picks is a sure fire way to a quick turnaround. sens had 3 of them in teh draft of 2011, and they made away like thieves that year (zibanejad, noessen, puempel)

Christ, now we gotta hear about Bobby Ryan from Garth for the next 6 months.

As much as Ryan will probably be a better player his whole career. I would be hesitant to move Armia+ for him. Just have a feeling Armia might be pretty good.
- sbroads24

I would take the guy who already is pretty good over the guy who might be. But I do see your point in keeping him.

Christ, now we gotta hear about Bobby Ryan from Garth for the next 6 months.
- SABRES 89

At least we have a year off from O'reilly talk.

I would take the guy who already is pretty good over the guy who might be. But I do see your point in keeping him.
- Dwight K. Schrute

Yea me too. But Armia+ another key peice like Ennis or Mcnabb could very well end up over payment.

At least we have a year off from O'reilly talk.
- Dwight K. Schrute

fitz keeps pitching o'reilly trades.

someone should tell him...

As much as Ryan will probably be a better player his whole career. I would be hesitant to move Armia+ for him. Just have a feeling Armia might be pretty good.
- sbroads24

Thats the kind of asset it will take to get into the game if Ryan ever hits the market. Lots of buyers means a high cost.

I still would not rule out Perry being traded eventually. Over on the Ducks board spatso made a good point that only the Ducks could offer Perry 8 years, it could be a sign and trade in the near future kind of situation.

i included a goalie, aswell as a 1st, and teh sens best prospect who's not currently on the NHL roster.

that's an ideal return for a team looking to rebuild. why would darcy want to trade a 30 year old for another 30 year old, wouldn't you rather have 3 very good young pieces that will help you move forward. both bishop (26) and noessen (20) are good enough RIGHT NOW to play on your NHL roster. and will be contributing players for the next decade or more. plus, having mulitple 1st rd picks is a sure fire way to a quick turnaround. sens had 3 of them in teh draft of 2011, and they made away like thieves that year (zibanejad, noessen, puempel)
- sensarmy_11

IMO a successful team (even with a rebuild) needs to still have that ONE GUY to transition the team forward or draft a player like a Crosby/Toews type guy that can immediately step in and put up huge #'s.

Edmonton picked up a TON of really talented players but no one was left capable of moving them forward.

Just an opinion.

Yea me too. But Armia+ another key peice like Ennis or Mcnabb could very well end up over payment.
- sbroads24

I agree, I would like to build from the inside and not be forced to give up promising assets but every Cup team seems to have moved some young guys for a proven vet to get them over the top.