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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 19 @ 11:10 AM ET
I think the dip in Schenn's play coincided with Briere landing on his line with Simmonds. The last ten games vs the rest of the season, Schenn has had almost double the time on a line with Briere.

It's like Danny's a black hole.

- Jsaquella


You really start to wonder if the guys that went over to Europe to play did themselves any favors.

That said, BSchenn and Couturier were in Adirondack, so it's not like that was helpful either.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:10 AM ET
At this point, my hope for this season is to see young players, specifically Couts, overcome their personal troubles. Exorcise this poop season and its effects.
- BulliesPhan87


I think it makes sense to send Couturier down. He's not performing at an NHL level right now. Perhaps demoting him lights a fire under his ass.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:10 AM ET
Nobody, really. But he can start rewarding guys like Talbot with PP time, rather than running Briere out there. He could play Couturier in a more offensive role and try to get him going, rather than burying him after every mistake.

Last night was the first time we've seen Rinaldo get a bump up in ice time, despite being a very effective player all season long.

- Jsaquella

And to be honest... that trio looked very good when he was on the ice.. a few very good chances.
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Mar 19 @ 11:11 AM ET
I'm not sure why Schenn escapes criticism as much as he does.
- shekkie


Because Schenn displays twice the offensive ability Couts does...Schenn may not be scoring but he seems to be around the puck more and is at least making more plays. As it looks now though the biggest assets of the Carter/Richie trade is Voracek and Simmonds. Like others were saying hopefully its just a sophomore slump.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:11 AM ET
With his defensive ability, I think he would have a good chance.
- MJL


Bruins are pretty damn strong down the middle. Marchand, Krejci, and Bergeron. At best Couturier is a 4th line Center. Chris Kelly is injured now, but he's a very good 4th line center.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:12 AM ET
Everyone except Vorachek is having a poor year. The three players coming back from significant injury are having trouble getting into mid season form. It is a complete team slump.
Part of the problem is lack of defensive depth. I'm not sure I follow the logic of solving this by trading defensemen

- strongsupporter


Grossman and l schenn can't skate the puck past their own blue line. Schenn and coburn as a pairing just whip pucks into each others skates. L schenn can't make any play but a shot. You can't have that on today's NHL as a top pairing guy I'm sorry. Need to be a little more dynamic. Coburn maybe for a more offensive minded defender. A hockey trade would help the mix
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 19 @ 11:12 AM ET
I'm not sure why Schenn escapes criticism as much as he does.
- shekkie


He's still young (only 21) and has shown flashes of being a pretty good player this year when paired with skilled players that were going good.

Sean Couturier has looked like confused, tired, and unlucky.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Mar 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
Heres the thing that always burns me up about most pens fans, they gave up on the team. Ten years removed from 2 cups and the can't support the team?
- twotoekenn



Burns me up about alot of Pens fans too. But I've never lived in Pittsburgh and I've never stopped cheering for them since I started so I don't know how that applies to me.

"Pens fans" make up a wide variety of people. Just like fans of any team in any sport.

I'm a long time Dolphins fan and A's fan too. So if they all of a sudden become good I get to look forward to hearing about how i just started liking them.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
You really start to wonder if the guys that went over to Europe to play did themselves any favors.

That said, BSchenn and Couturier were in Adirondack, so it's not like that was helpful either.

- johndewar


The trouble is, Briere and Giroux both got hurt in Europe, which affected the starts of their seasons negatively. Read benefitted by playing in Europe.

The compressed Schedule and injuries have been a factor, too
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
Yeah. I was surprised. I figured injuries/Lavi would be at the top with Bryz making a strong run for the second "issue".
- Lexington Flyer

Injuries haven't been that bad for us this year and bryzgalov is twice as good as leighton or Boucher yet we've gone deep with those guys. Not saying bryzgalov is great either but as bill said he's OK. Not what you prolly want for that contract but ok goaltending is a notch better than typical flyer goaltending which never hamstrung them from getting into the postseason at least. I mean visions of hextall Burke come to mind good lord...
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:14 AM ET
Nobody, really. But he can start rewarding guys like Talbot with PP time, rather than running Briere out there. He could play Couturier in a more offensive role and try to get him going, rather than burying him after every mistake.

Last night was the first time we've seen Rinaldo get a bump up in ice time, despite being a very effective player all season long.

- Jsaquella


Rinaldo has deserved to have his ice time increased. He's one of the few guys that has brought it every game this year. Talbot has improved his play dramatically lately, I don't have a problem elevating him. Right now Couturier and Briere are providing zero. They shouldn't even be dressing.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 19 @ 11:14 AM ET
I think it makes sense to send Couturier down. He's not performing at an NHL level right now. Perhaps demoting him lights a fire under his ass.
- PLindbergh31

It might make sense. I don't know if it lights a fire/helps him get re-established, or if it crushes his confidence, or what. I really wouldn't be stunned to see him stay or go down.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 19 @ 11:14 AM ET
And to be honest... that trio looked very good when he was on the ice.. a few very good chances.
- jak521


If players are worried about if Rinaldo is going to truck them, maybe they aren't thinking about what G is doing.
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
Watching the game, I am wondering how hurt Meszaros still is. He did not look sharp.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
And to be honest... that trio looked very good when he was on the ice.. a few very good chances.
- jak521


Because he's got good wheels and never stops skating. I don't see him as a first liner, by any stretch, but he;s not limited to being a 4th line goon, either.
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
My thing with Laviolette is, I don't want to retard the process by letting him stay. Bite the bullet and make the change now, get somebody in to start the process of breaking the bad habits-and identify the guys who will have trouble making those changes, because there's some guys who will not be able to play in a disciplined system.
- Jsaquella


Like who? (Full disclosure, I am a Hartsy fan and would not want to see him go anywhere. I hope he gets his poop together soon. He has done it before.)

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
7 too many men penalties so far this season. That leads the NHL. To be honest I do not know if bad line changes are on the coaching staff or players. I would say a little of both.
- PLindbergh31

Ultimately it's the coach. Look he's a good coach but he has a short shelf life, which has expired.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
It might make sense. I don't know if it lights a fire/helps him get re-established, or if it crushes his confidence, or what. I really wouldn't be stunned to see him stay or go down.
- BulliesPhan87


If it crushes his confidence he would be pretty weak mentally. He must realize based on his performance that he doesn't deserve to wear an NHL sweater right now.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 19 @ 11:16 AM ET
In the meantime, while everyone is whipping on Couturier, fellow 2nd year player Brayden Schenn is back to scuffling again offensively, too. Pointless in his last seven games, two points (assists) in the last 10 games, hasn't scored a goal since Feb 23. He's minus-10 over that span, and also took that awful penalty in the New Jersey game.
- bmeltzer



I really am hating the Briere-Schenn-Simmonds line right now.
StabMastaArson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Why do you want to know?!?!?!
Joined: 05.13.2009

Mar 19 @ 11:17 AM ET
Burns me up about alot of Pens fans too. But I've never lived in Pittsburgh and I've never stopped cheering for them since I started so I don't know how that applies to me.

"Pens fans" make up a wide variety of people. Just like fans of any team in any sport.

I'm a long time Dolphins fan and A's fan too. So if they all of a sudden become good I get to look forward to hearing about how i just started liking them.

- canadianpenfan

I was living in out west working at a hotel in the mountains during the years of rico fata ect lol. Worked night shift at a hotel and watched the highlights every morning while I ate breakfast. It bruised my soul I think.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 19 @ 11:17 AM ET
Rinaldo has deserved to have his ice time increased. He's one of the few guys that has brought it every game this year. Talbot has improved his play dramatically lately, I don't have a problem elevating him. Right now Couturier and Briere are providing zero. They shouldn't even be dressing.
- PLindbergh31


I agree on Briere. Couturier needs to play. I wouldn't be totally against sending him to the AHL for a stretch, but I'd rather bump him up and play him with Schenn and Simmonds.

Briere has been invisible and is playing 15 minutes a night. It's illogical.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 19 @ 11:18 AM ET
I think it makes sense to send Couturier down. He's not performing at an NHL level right now. Perhaps demoting him lights a fire under his ass.
- PLindbergh31

i would sit him first. he might have been rushed after all, but we've crossed the rubicon w/ that, so maybe a healthy scratch is the better way to go and spot him from there.
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Mar 19 @ 11:18 AM ET
You really start to wonder if the guys that went over to Europe to play did themselves any favors.

That said, BSchenn and Couturier were in Adirondack, so it's not like that was helpful either.

- johndewar


We really need to move the Phantoms back to Philly.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 19 @ 11:18 AM ET
Like who? (Full disclosure, I am a Hartsy fan and would not want to see him go anywhere. I hope he gets his poop together soon. He has done it before.)


- Lexington Flyer


Hartnell can play disciplined hockey and do enough good to mitigate his occasional stupid.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 19 @ 11:19 AM ET
I think the dip in Schenn's play coincided with Briere landing on his line with Simmonds. The last ten games vs the rest of the season, Schenn has had almost double the time on a line with Briere.

It's like Danny's a black hole.

- Jsaquella



I agree 100%
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