can we annoucer we're sellers already so i can sleep easy at night?

He also drafted Staal ahead of Toews. That was a bigger mistake than drafting Esposito. Since Shero has been GM in Pittsburgh 2006 was the only time he had a pick in the top 20.

He's also drafted Bennett, and Depres with late first round picks. Those guys are NHL contributors already.
- PLindbergh31

Bennett and Depres are far from impact players yet. I know Penguins have a lot of hyped prospects but I feel that organization is getting the Detroit Red Wings treatment: anybody they draft is going to be good because they drafted them. The Red Wings earned their reputation years ago but haven't drafted an impact player since 2004 yet they always have highly ranked prospects. Pittsburgh are the new darlings of the NHL and those around the league can't stop talking about how wonderful there GM, owner, fans, whatever is....... Yes I am a bit of a hater but am completely justified and until one of Shero's draft picks after the 2nd overall pans out to be more than a roster filler, will feel that I am correct.

Talk about some bad drafting. And I know you can do this with every team, take a look at the Rags.

Can you imagine in 2006, 2007, and 2010 if they would have drafted Giroux instead of Sanguinetti, Pacioretty instead of Cherapanov, and Fowler instead of McIlrath.

Wow....

can we annoucer we're sellers already so i can sleep easy at night?
- 2Real

we're sellers, sleep tight.

we're sellers, sleep tight.
- JoeRussomanno

Well they certainly won't be buyers. Not sure what parts they have to sell really. No one is going to want Briere.

He also drafted Staal ahead of Toews. That was a bigger mistake than drafting Esposito. Since Shero has been GM in Pittsburgh 2006 was the only time he had a pick in the top 20.

He's also drafted Bennett, and Depres with late first round picks. Those guys are NHL contributors already.
- PLindbergh31

I think drafting Staal over Toews was partially done because they knew they already had two stud center man up the middle in Crosby and Malkin so adding another potential #1 center would handcuff them in the future. Besides, Staal helped them win a Cup so that was a great choice, IMO.

I think drafting Staal over Toews was partially done because they knew they already had two stud center man up the middle in Crosby and Malkin so adding another potential #1 center would handcuff them in the future. Besides, Staal helped them win a Cup so that was a great choice, IMO.
- NickTheKid87

I think they could have turned Toews into something better than Brandon Sutter. They would have won a Cup if they drafted Toews. Probably more than one. I don't see how drafting an inferior player is a great choice.

Well they certainly won't be buyers. Not sure what parts they have to sell really. No one is going to want Briere.
- PLindbergh31

briere has some value...not a lot but some.

Claude Giroux, Matt Read, PK Subban.
- NickTheKid87

So any contract that underpays the player and keeps the money in the owner's pocket.

I think they could have turned Toews into something better than Brandon Sutter. They would have won a Cup if they drafted Toews. Probably more than one. I don't see how drafting an inferior player is a great choice.
- PLindbergh31

They won a Cup so everything leading up to that is part of the reason. We can speculate that they would have won one or more with Toews but we know for a fact that they won one with Staal. Staal was also ranked ahead of Toews before the draft.

Also, the didn't just get Brandon Sutter. They also got a solid defensive prospect and a top 10 pick.

So any contract that underpays the player and keeps the money in the owner's pocket.
- mayorofangrytown

Yeah pretty much because they are cap favorable.

Well they certainly won't be buyers. Not sure what parts they have to sell really. No one is going to want Briere.
- PLindbergh31

he's a playoff machine i'm sure someone will see his value

briere has some value...not a lot but some.
- Philly1980

When Briere isn't scoring (13 game goal draught) he literally brings nothing else to the table, in fact he's a complete liability. Not to factor his cap hit which is bordering on criminal for what he is providing.

When Briere isn't scoring (13 game goal draught) he literally brings nothing else to the table, in fact he's a complete liability. Not to factor his cap hit which is bordering on criminal for what he is providing.
- PLindbergh31

bigger deadweight players have been traded
cough drury and gomez cough

They won a Cup so everything leading up to that is part of the reason. We can speculate that they would have won one or more with Toews but we know for a fact that they won one with Staal. Staal was also ranked ahead of Toews before the draft.

Also, the didn't just get Brandon Sutter. They also got a solid defensive prospect and a top 10 pick.
- NickTheKid87

Agree to disagree. Toews is the far superior player to Staal, and they play the same position.

When Briere isn't scoring (13 game goal draught) he literally brings nothing else to the table, in fact he's a complete liability. Not to factor his cap hit which is bordering on criminal for what he is providing.
- PLindbergh31

soemeon will want him for the playoffs.

soemeon will want him for the playoffs.
- Philly1980

I hope so. Time will tell. Zero reason to keep him at this point.

he was ranked as #40 under north american skaters....

Stolarz wasnt even ranked.....wasted 2nd round pick
- Philly1980

Although I do agree he was taken too high, I think the Flyers MAY be onto something with him... He left the NCAA to come play in the real professional pre-league, the CHL, and his numbers have been fantastic.

Lets hope he develops into a legit starter, of the Rinne variety... lol.

Agree to disagree. Toews is the far superior player to Staal, and they play the same position.
- PLindbergh31

I agree that he's superior but it's hard to argue that Staal was a mistake when he was a key piece in the team's '09 Cup run. If you take him out of the equation, then everything changes. Butterfly Effect.

I agree that he's superior but it's hard to argue that Staal was a mistake when he was a key piece in the team's '09 Cup run. If you take him out of the equation, then everything changes. Butterfly Effect.
- NickTheKid87

Mistake is the wrong adjective for sure, however, it's not even close when compare the two, Toews wins in every category except size.

I agree that he's superior but it's hard to argue that Staal was a mistake when he was a key piece in the team's '09 Cup run. If you take him out of the equation, then everything changes. Butterfly Effect.
- NickTheKid87

I understand that. Are you implying that if the Penguins would have drafted Toews instead of Staal they wouldn't have won a Cup? Toews captained a team to a Cup and has a Conn Smythe under his belt. If he was with Malkin and Crosby it would be frightening how good they would be. Like scary good.

i think if that little weasel Michael Pecca didn't go on that rant about Jbo on the NHL network or was it NBC sports, that half of you guys who are so against him wouldn't be.
- JoeRussomanno

+1

briere has some value...not a lot but some.
- Philly1980

But...but...but...he's playoff gold! Gold, Jerry!!!!

I understand that. Are you implying that if the Penguins would have drafted Toews instead of Staal they wouldn't have won a Cup? Toews captained a team to a Cup and has a Conn Smythe under his belt. If he was with Malkin and Crosby it would be frightening how good they would be. Like scary good.
- PLindbergh31

I'm not implying that at all. What I'm saying is that we know that they won a Cup with Staal but we are merely speculating that they'd win one with Toews. There chances would be greater but it's still speculation nonetheless.

Although I do agree he was taken too high, I think the Flyers MAY be onto something with him... He left the NCAA to come play in the real professional pre-league, the CHL, and his numbers have been fantastic.

Lets hope he develops into a legit starter, of the Rinne variety... lol.
- Flyers_V88

20 gp 920% almost on par with Malcolm subban