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NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 19 @ 9:45 AM ET
I'm curious to know which team has the most NTCs.
- Flyers_01


ANA - 5
BOS - 9
BUF - 6
CGY - 11
CAR - 5
CHI - 8
COL - 1
CBJ - 5
DAL - 8
DET - 7
EDM - 2
FLA - 6
LAK - 0
MIN - 5
MTL - 6
NSH - 5
NJD - 6
NYI - 2
NYR - 3
OTT - 4
PHI - 9
PHX - 5
PIT - 9
SJS - 6
STL - 3
TBL - 8
TOR - 7
VAN - 8
WSH - 5
WPG - 6

These numbers include NMC and NTC, some of which are expired or not yet effective. Source: CapGeek.com
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Mar 19 @ 9:46 AM ET
Laviolette looks like he ages faster than any President of the U.S. does. Mr. Snider should consider a mercy furlough.
- TJ


Have you heard the flap about that miniseries on the History Channel about the Bible? The Devil apparently resembles an aged Obama. Lots of people upset about it.

On an unrelated note, anyone remember when Game of Thrones had George W. Bush's head on a pike because no one realized that one of the mannequin heads they were using was a mannequin head of GWB?
TJ
New York Rangers
Location: PA
Joined: 11.27.2007

Mar 19 @ 9:46 AM ET
They extended Laviolette back in August until 2015 (link: http://msn.foxsports.com/...contract-extension-080112

That's probably playing a role in keeping him.

- johndewar



When I heard Hartnell's reply in the post game interview about being demoted most of the third period it caught my attention. "If that's the way it's going to be, then that's how it is going to be", was not a players endorsement for a coach, trying to win.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 19 @ 9:46 AM ET
but let the bobby ryan talk rage on!
- nails

Perfect deal.

#48 PLUS BradleyCoburn4 + Gusty for BOB RYAB FISTOFGOALERY and CLAM FEELER
GSDIV
Boston Bruins
Location: glove_was_stuck: Long ways to go. Still have to beat the Montreal Vaneks, MA
Joined: 06.24.2011

Mar 19 @ 9:47 AM ET
Kimmo and briere to boston for their first!
- Philly1980


Too much cap hit for next year, unfortunately.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Mar 19 @ 9:47 AM ET


These numbers include NMC and NTC, some of which are expired or not yet effective. Source: CapGeek.com

- NickTheKid87


I'm not sure how the Kings can be correct. Didn't both Richards and Carter have some form of NTC in their contracts?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
I'm just saying, I want the coaching staff to still be trying to get this team into the playoffs, as hopeless of a feat as that may be.
- bradleyc4


I have no doubt that the coaching staff believes in what they are doing and will work hard.

It's a question of whether or not this group of players believes in what the coaching staff is telling them.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
ANA - 5
BOS - 9
BUF - 6
CGY - 11
CAR - 5
CHI - 8
COL - 1
CBJ - 5
DAL - 8
DET - 7
EDM - 2
FLA - 6
LAK - 0
MIN - 5
MTL - 6
NSH - 5
NJD - 6
NYI - 2
NYR - 3
OTT - 4
PHI - 9
PHX - 5
PIT - 9
SJS - 6
STL - 3
TBL - 8
TOR - 7
VAN - 8
WSH - 5
WPG - 6

These numbers include NMC and NTC, some of which are expired or not yet effective. Source: CapGeek.com

- NickTheKid87

Thanks for taking the time to do that, nick.


Boston pitts and philthy all tied at nine the other two have a cup tho...
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Mar 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
When I heard Hartnell's reply in the post game interview about being demoted most of the third period it caught my attention. "If that's the way it's going to be, then that's how it is going to be", was not a players endorsement for a coach, trying to win.
- TJ


I think you're looking for something that's not there. Two weeks ago Hartnell said that Laviolette shouldn't be fired, and that the onus was on the players. Last night Hartnell took a stupid penalty that could have cost the Flyers the game before it was over. He deserved to be benched, and I think he understood it. When he finally got some ice time in the third, he looked a lot better.

Laviolette and Hartnell, based from what I've seen, seem to have a good working relationship. Laviolette knew what buttons to press with Hartsy during the Cup run.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
I think they are too generous with those clauses
- JoeRussomanno


They actually don't have that many. Briere, Timonen and Bryz have NMCs. Hartnell has a NTC. Fedotenko, Coburn and Grossmann have modified NTC, which probably means they won't go to Edmonton.

Most of the guys I'd be looking to move with a clause would probably waive it to go elsewhere.

I've said it before, but I'd be shopping Briere, Gagne and Fedotenko like a madman. I'd be listening to offers for Hartnell, Talbot, Meszaros and Coburn.

I'd tell Briere that he can talk to interested teams and see what accommodations they would make(i.e. agreeing to buy out the last two years of his deal or a promise to honor the NMC after the trade). I'd tell Gagne I'd be interested in re-signing him in the summer.

Load up on a few picks and see what happens in the summer.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
When I heard Hartnell's reply in the post game interview about being demoted most of the third period it caught my attention. "If that's the way it's going to be, then that's how it is going to be", was not a players endorsement for a coach, trying to win.
- TJ

Hartnell has decided to go back to his knucklehead form. Taking stupid, selfish penalties, being all over the place... except where he should be.. and not producing a lick offensively...
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
but let the bobby ryan talk rage on!
- nails


I think the bidding on Ryan will be way too expensive for the Flyers.

They need a #1 Dman and a top Dman will cost more than Ryan. Better to focus your assets towards what you really need.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
I'm not sure how the Kings can be correct. Didn't both Richards and Carter have some form of NTC in their contracts?
- Flyers_01


Nope.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 19 @ 9:49 AM ET
Have you heard the flap about that miniseries on the History Channel about the Bible? The Devil apparently resembles an aged Obama. Lots of people upset about it.

On an unrelated note, anyone remember when Game of Thrones had George W. Bush's head on a pike because no one realized that one of the mannequin heads they were using was a mannequin head of GWB?

- Flyers_01

People look for any excuse to female dog about something.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 19 @ 9:49 AM ET
I'm not sure how the Kings can be correct. Didn't both Richards and Carter have some form of NTC in their contracts?
- Flyers_01

They were traded before they kicked in... and a team cannot be forced to take on a NMC if I remember correctly.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Mar 19 @ 9:49 AM ET
Also, call me insane....

But Rinaldo didn't seem too out of place on a line with Giroux and Voracek. Of course, those two could make a scarecrow look like an all-star. It would have been crazy if that line scored--as they almost did twice.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Mar 19 @ 9:50 AM ET
At least we can end the Corey Perry talk. BTW, that $8.625M cap hit could look real ugly in a few years if he starts to physically break down in his early 30s the way many power forwards do.
- bmeltzer


It seems to me that GMs don't worry about "down the road" when they give out the monster contracts. I'm fairly certain the Flyers don't. The goal is to make it work in the short term.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Mar 19 @ 9:50 AM ET
When I heard Hartnell's reply in the post game interview about being demoted most of the third period it caught my attention. "If that's the way it's going to be, then that's how it is going to be", was not a players endorsement for a coach, trying to win.
- TJ

The EXACT same thing crossed my mind... To me, that's the first potential sign of any disconnect I've heard explicitly. However, knowing Hartsy and his drive to win and help the team, I'm sure it was just frustration at the loss and his poor-timed penalty.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 19 @ 9:50 AM ET
They won't panic. They know the cut off number is 53 points. Getting 26 points from 18 games is a pretty steep curve for this team (13-5-0).
- spatso


I've seen this team panic too many times in the past not to think they won't in the present.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Mar 19 @ 9:50 AM ET
Hartnell has decided to go back to his knucklehead form. Taking stupid, selfish penalties, being all over the place... except where he should be.. and not producing a lick offensively...
- jak521


Whether or not Hartnell thinks he responded well after the benching, those shifts that he did take after the benching were probably his most robust shifts of the year.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Mar 19 @ 9:51 AM ET
PK is good, PP is good. 5v5 is what's terrible and holding things back. I wonder how often a team is in the top 7 on both special teams but bottom 5 in even strength play (5v5 goals for/goals against). Florida and Buffalo are in the bottom 10 in all 3 of those categories. Makes sense they're bad. Flyers are just weird
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 19 @ 9:51 AM ET
I'm not sure how the Kings can be correct. Didn't both Richards and Carter have some form of NTC in their contracts?
- Flyers_01

Their clauses were nullified when they got traded
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Mar 19 @ 9:52 AM ET
They actually don't have that many. Briere, Timonen and Bryz have NMCs. Hartnell has a NTC. Fedotenko, Coburn and Grossmann have modified NTC, which probably means they won't go to Edmonton.

Most of the guys I'd be looking to move with a clause would probably waive it to go elsewhere.

I've said it before, but I'd be shopping Briere, Gagne and Fedotenko like a madman. I'd be listening to offers for Hartnell, Talbot, Meszaros and Coburn.

I'd tell Briere that he can talk to interested teams and see what accommodations they would make(i.e. agreeing to buy out the last two years of his deal or a promise to honor the NMC after the trade). I'd tell Gagne I'd be interested in re-signing him in the summer.

Load up on a few picks and see what happens in the summer.

- Jsaquella


Luke Schenn also has a modified NTC only eligible in 2015-16 although his contract was sign with the Leafs.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Mar 19 @ 9:52 AM ET
Whether or not Hartnell thinks he responded well after the benching, those shifts that he did take after the benching were probably his most robust shifts of the year.
- johndewar

I disagree.. Easily his best game, and shifts, of the year were his first game back from the foot injury. Parked his ass in front of the net and went to work... since then.. IDK.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 19 @ 9:52 AM ET
When I heard Hartnell's reply in the post game interview about being demoted most of the third period it caught my attention. "If that's the way it's going to be, then that's how it is going to be", was not a players endorsement for a coach, trying to win.
- TJ


I think he was probably upset and emotional about it. He's been demoted before and it lit a fire for him. Perhaps this will have a similar effect. He should have been stapled to the bench last night, because he played stupid all night.
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