The organization needs an identity. Have to stick with it no matter what. Can't keep changing every year.

So if Lavi doesnt fit that identity then its time to send him away.
- stveshdy

My insanity has infused into your brain.

Hard to talk about much else, the team is hard to watch this year. I miss the Lava celebrations and Briere having his swagger.

Coburn's a better fit for Laviolette's style than Luke Schenn or Grossmann.
- Jsaquella

doesn't look like it this year

that said, i get what you mean

Myself & Jsaquella have a few in mind.
- ob18

I've seen the name of the guy who coaches in the Toronto organization I believe.

Is he realistic? I dont want Vigneault, Ruff or Murray. They need a guy that will be here for a while.

I've seen the name of the guy who coaches in the Toronto organization I believe.

Is he realistic? I dont want Vigneault, Ruff or Murray. They need a guy that will be here for a while.
- flyer_nutter

They are Greg Ireland, Steve Spott, Jon Cooper, & I'd consider adding Dallas Eakins

When you have a young core that you want to lead you to promise land. They need to learn to play the right way.

Guys like Coburn are exactly the kind of players I want out. I've stated in my other posts why. You are right that it is a big hole, but in reality its not. Considering you have no idea how he will play a given night. Its time to move on, from players like Coburn imo.

He is just one guy, I am using as an example.
- flyer_nutter

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In reality it is a big hole. He's a defenseman who plays tough minutes and plays 22 minutes a game. Throwing out names out of a hat such as Murray and Rundbland, isn't a guarantee of anything. Or that they'll be less inconsistent then Coburn is.

I just can't make a trade simply to 'move on', it just screams 'squandered value'. My sticking point here is really that, if you're not trading Coburn for a younger replacement, you better have a free agent signing or a second trade lined up and ready to fire.

As for Meszaros, I'm not against keeping him around and transferring some of Coburn's responsibility on him. Keeping him does not, however, instill enough confidence to risk not adding a replacement top 4 defensemen.

I don't think having Coburn around will poison the development of this core. He has his faults, and he's struggling, but I wouldn't say he has cancerous attributes (laziness, bad attitude, apathy, etc.). I'd be more inclined to keep him on to be an overqualified third pairing defenseman (like Andrej Meszaros in his first season) than trade him for pennies on the dollar to bring in toast.
- BulliesPhan87

Some don't want to consider what you may be moving onto. It may be moving on to a worse situation. Doug Murray is not the answer. And definitely not swapping Coburn for him.

They are Greg Ireland, Steve Spott, Jon Cooper, & I'd consider adding Dallas Eakins
- ob18

Isn't he the guy that coached Team Canada in the Juniors last time?

I've seen some Shark games this season. I think if you throw Murray on that 3rd pairing to help give it some real depth, and help shield a younger guy he will do his job well, much like OD did.

Murray in the larger picture is simply a name amongst others that would get the Flyers to move on from Coburn. Its just a personal thing, but his inconsistent play, especially from a veteran and a guy making decent money who is expected to play big minutes... Has me ready to move on. In the larger picture I want to sorround whatever the young core of this team ends up being, with the right kind of players. The right attitude, and identity.
- flyer_nutter

So you think Coburn has a poor attitude and brings the wrong identity to the team.

Isn't he the guy that coached Team Canada in the Juniors last time?
- flyer_nutter

Yes it is, still a good choice.

if the Flyers get a top pick, I look forward to years of discussion about how it was the wrong choice.

At this point, I want the Flyers to beat Pittsburgh and the Rangers. Other than that, trade Briere and no major injuries and I'm content.

I would like to get back a younger defenseman whos ready to play on the 3rd pairing (to start his career off) who is on the cusp of the NHL. Add that with a pick and I think the Flyers would be moving in the right direction.

Make a move in the offseason to upgrade if needed. Add a vet for cheaper on a one year deal.
- stveshdy

Who is that vet that is going to replace Coburn, that is cheaper on a one year deal. Because it's not likely that young defenseman who is on the cusp of the NHL is going to do it.

Who is that vet that is going to replace Coburn, that is cheaper on a one year deal. Because it's not likely that young defenseman who is on the cusp of the NHL is going to do it.
- MJL

Rozsival

Some don't want to consider what you may be moving onto. It may be moving on to a worse situation. Doug Murray is not the answer. And definitely not swapping Coburn for him.
- MJL

Doug Murray wouldn't be replacing Coburn. His minutes would be replaced by Meszaros, Murray and a better 3rd pairing as Ive stated many times.

Just for curiosity, and its not really a personal shot. Have you ever had a player you dont like on the team? Or want replaced with someone better?

Myself & Jsaquella have a few in mind.
- ob18

Well that is certainly great news. Glad I can stop worrying now.

Give yourselves a gold star for the day and an extra cookie at snack time.

Well that is certainly great news. Gland I can stop worrying now.

Give yourselves a gold star for the day and an extra cookie at snack time.
- BringBack25

I'll pass the cookie along to you.

Definately true. Im kind of suprised Lava is still around, I would have fired him myself. Maybe the organization will try to better build the team to fit his style? Who knows.

Regarding Coburn, I think if you end up having 3 shutdown D of Grossman, Schenn and Murray for example you have the other 3 being 2 way guys. Meszaros and Timonen can move the puck. I dont know if the Flyers will find that d-man they really need until one of the kids they draft makes an impact.
- flyer_nutter

I don't see Murray as a shut down defenseman anymore, but I get your point.

They are Greg Ireland, Steve Spott, Jon Cooper, & I'd consider adding Dallas Eakins
- ob18

These people all have stupid names. Not interested.

These people all have stupid names. Not interested.
- feelingkettle

They are Greg Ireland, Steve Spott, Jon Cooper, & I'd consider adding Dallas Eakins
- ob18

Those are indeed the four I have in mind. I'd add Kevin Dineen to the list if he gets fired in Florida.

Definately true. Im kind of suprised Lava is still around, I would have fired him myself. Maybe the organization will try to better build the team to fit his style? Who knows.

Regarding Coburn, I think if you end up having 3 shutdown D of Grossman, Schenn and Murray for example you have the other 3 being 2 way guys. Meszaros and Timonen can move the puck. I dont know if the Flyers will find that d-man they really need until one of the kids they draft makes an impact.
- flyer_nutter

A week ago you were disagreeing with the posters who said that the Coach is the issue. Murray isn't a shutdown defender. He's an aging defenseman who is fading. If you saw the TB game, Meszaros did not look good and does not look healthy. Right now unless that improves through the remainder of the Season. I wouldn't be relying on him for the future.

These people all have stupid names. Not interested.
- feelingkettle

Agree completely.

I would be sending out Knuble, Fedetenko, and Briere. If they want to replace them with kids like McGinn and Laughton so be it, but I would be looking in other places also.

I'd be in favour of seeing how they could use Brayden Schenn to upgrade in other areas. If the deal makes sense I'd make one.

In terms of Gagne, I would let him go, but I think the re-sign him.
- flyer_nutter

They absolutely should re-sign Gagne. He still has a lot of Hockey left in him.

So you think Coburn has a poor attitude and brings the wrong identity to the team.
- MJL

I think Coburn is streaky as hell. His career has shown it. He is no young pup any more. I think he has taken too many dumb penalties, and just makes stupid decisions too often.

For a veteran guy, who the team expects to be a top 3 d-man, and he is paid accordingly that isnt good enough. This team needs to find a way to play the right way, starting with the right attitude of consistent play, hard work, and limiting stupidity.

For all of the reasons stated above, I look real damn hard to chance up the defensive core, that does not have Coburn on it. Nobody is throwing him away, its just crazy how every damn player that puts on the O&B is a saint.

Agree completely.
- aightwebang17

I mean really, look at all the trouble we've had with this Laviolette guy. Last things we need is another stupid name. There's already enough stupid on this team...

Who is that vet that is going to replace Coburn, that is cheaper on a one year deal. Because it's not likely that young defenseman who is on the cusp of the NHL is going to do it.
- MJL

Your not asking him to fill his role.

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Mez
Vet-Young D man

You dont have to spend big $ on your 3rd pair.
A lot depends on what the return is for Coburn. I dont trade him if I dont like the return.

The identity needs to be addressed. A lot depends if the coach is still here.