A week ago you were disagreeing with the posters who said that the Coach is the issue. Murray isn't a shutdown defender. He's an aging defenseman who is fading. If you saw the TB game, Meszaros did not look good and does not look healthy. Right now unless that improves through the remainder of the Season. I wouldn't be relying on him for the future.
- MJL

You should read my posts further.

I said time and time again they should fire him, because obviously the current group cannot play such a style. I didnt mean that as a compliment to the crew on the ice.

Not getting into another "DEBATE" again though. Nitpicking the fumes that comes out of both of our asses.

Doug Murray wouldn't be replacing Coburn. His minutes would be replaced by Meszaros, Murray and a better 3rd pairing as Ive stated many times.

Just for curiosity, and its not really a personal shot. Have you ever had a player you dont like on the team? Or want replaced with someone better?
- flyer_nutter

I don't let my personal emotions get involved when assessing moves the team should make. I don't advocate trading a player just because I don't like him. I look at the Hockey reasons, and if it's a good move for the team. I think that trading Coburn just to bring in Doug Murray is a horrendous move.

Who is that vet that is going to replace Coburn, that is cheaper on a one year deal. Because it's not likely that young defenseman who is on the cusp of the NHL is going to do it.
- MJL

Sign Ian White. Also sign another aging 5/6 type of UFA (Corvo, Ference). After teams use their compliance buyouts, you may have more options than you think. Trade Coburn prior to the deadline for a middle 1st rounder at minimum, prob can add a 3rd coming our way in that trade. 2 first round picks in this draft now.

Nitpicking the fumes that comes out of both of our asses.
- flyer_nutter

Guessing this must be a Canadian thing...

These people all have stupid names. Not interested.
- feelingkettle

thank you

Your not asking them to fill his role.

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Mez
Vet-Young D man

You dont have to spend big $ on your 3rd pair.
A lot depends on what the return is for Coburn. I dont trade him if I dont like the return.

The identity needs to be addressed. A lot depends if the coach is still here.
- stveshdy

Its alright. I get thinking things through, and we have all said that. In the end it just comes across as homerism, and that every player the Flyers employ is the best thing ever and never should be let go. They are where they are for a reason, even if they make a coaching change I think some damn changes should be made.

I don't let my personal emotions get involved when assessing moves the team should make. I don't advocate trading a player just because I don't like him. I look at the Hockey reasons, and if it's a good move for the team. I think that trading Coburn just to bring in Doug Murray is a horrendous move.
- MJL

You didn think it was a good move to trade Carter and Richards. So why trading Coburn any different?

They can move Coburn and still get better in the future. Doesnt have to be instantly.

I don't let my personal emotions get involved when assessing moves the team should make. I don't advocate trading a player just because I don't like him. I look at the Hockey reasons, and if it's a good move for the team. I think that trading Coburn just to bring in Doug Murray is a horrendous move.
- MJL

What's your take on the Bobrvosky trade at the moment? Is that a horrendous move?

As he is posting the second best save % in the League, while the Flyers have some project toiling in the minor leagues...

I think Coburn is streaky as hell. His career has shown it. He is no young pup any more. I think he has taken too many dumb penalties, and just makes stupid decisions too often.

For a veteran guy, who the team expects to be a top 3 d-man, and he is paid accordingly that isnt good enough. This team needs to find a way to play the right way, starting with the right attitude of consistent play, hard work, and limiting stupidity.

For all of the reasons stated above, I look real damn hard to chance up the defensive core, that does not have Coburn on it. Nobody is throwing him away, its just crazy how every damn player that puts on the O&B is a saint.
- flyer_nutter

Being a streaky player, and taking too many penalties, doesn't point out that a player has a bad attitude. Coburn is far from the only player who's play has fallen short. I'm open to any deal that makes the team better. I'd trade Giroux if I thought it made the team better. Bringing in Murray and trading Coburn isn't it.

I don't let my personal emotions get involved when assessing moves the team should make. I don't advocate trading a player just because I don't like him. I look at the Hockey reasons, and if it's a good move for the team. I think that trading Coburn just to bring in Doug Murray is a horrendous move.
- MJL

Again, go back to my posts if you wish to see why I would be looking at trading Coburn.

You are correct though, I despise the man at his core. He has stolen my wife, raised my children to be Bieber fans and drank the last bit of milk I had in my house. His play on the ice is what makes me talk about trading him, not my personal emotions.

Your not asking him to fill his role.

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Mez
Vet-Young D man

You dont have to spend big $ on your 3rd pair.
A lot depends on what the return is for Coburn. I dont trade him if I dont like the return.

The identity needs to be addressed. A lot depends if the coach is still here.
- stveshdy

And when/if Meszaros or Timonen get's hurt? That cheap 3rd pair vet is going to step up. Murray is going to step up?

thank you
- Don'tForgetTocchet

My personal coaching choices would be Gipper Pipstein and Holland Bugsby.

They both use a system that has a hard defensive outer shell with a milk chocolatey forecheck center.

Its alright. I get thinking things through, and we have all said that. In the end it just comes across as homerism, and that every player the Flyers employ is the best thing ever and never should be let go. They are where they are for a reason, even if they make a coaching change I think some damn changes should be made.
- flyer_nutter

The Flyers can still get better by trading Coburn. If may not be next year but in the future. Hard to say if the team will be better adding two new defenseman and losing Coburn. Sometimes its not about the name but about the player that fits what your looking for.

I would trade Mez or Coburn and to me Coburn gets you a better return right now.

I mean really, look at all the trouble we've had with this Laviolette guy. Last things we need is another stupid name. There's already enough stupid on this team...
- BringBack25

Laviolette is a fun word to type. Hard to think what it will be like if he gets canned.

And when/if Meszaros or Timonen get's hurt? That cheap 3rd pair vet is going to step up. Murray is going to step up?
- MJL

I never asked for Murray. You act like no other team has injuries and has players step up. What about all these other teams that dont have a great top 6 yet still get the job done?

You didn think it was a good move to trade Carter and Richards. So why trading Coburn any different?

They can move Coburn and still get better in the future. Doesnt have to be instantly.
- stveshdy

Or a guy like Coburn, is exactly the kind of thing that is wrong with this team. This is not his first year being streaky, and he isn't the only guy.

Its funny because you can see where this conversation is being lead to. When the talk of Coburn/Murray or back lane hank is regarding a much larger issue. Waste of time.

Sign Ian White. Also sign another aging 5/6 type of UFA (Corvo, Ference). After teams use their compliance buyouts, you may have more options than you think. Trade Coburn prior to the deadline for a middle 1st rounder at minimum, prob can add a 3rd coming our way in that trade. 2 first round picks in this draft now.
- Just5

Ian White is a small offensive defenseman, who isn't that good offensively. I would have no interest in Ian White.

The Flyers can still get better by trading Coburn. If may not be next year but in the future. Hard to say if the team will be better adding two new defenseman and losing Coburn. Sometimes its not about the name but about the player that fits what your looking for.

I would trade Mez or Coburn and to me Coburn gets you a better return right now.
- stveshdy

Coburn would get a great haul. A 1st rounder and maybe +. It is absolutely worth doing and you can't be afraid of being unable to fill the hole in the lineup in April.

Its alright. I get thinking things through, and we have all said that. In the end it just comes across as homerism, and that every player the Flyers employ is the best thing ever and never should be let go. They are where they are for a reason, even if they make a coaching change I think some damn changes should be made.
- flyer_nutter

The trouble is, if you dump Coburn, you have to replace him. Can Meszaros do that? It's questionable to say the least. He's had the same kind of consistency troubles that Coburn's had, plus he's got injury questions surrounding him now.

It's the same thing with Carle. People hated him last year, but this year everyone sees how much they miss him. Well, most people feel they miss him anyhow.

I never asked for Murray. You act like no other team has injuries and has players step up. What about all these other teams that dont have a great top 6 yet still get the job done?
- stveshdy

Which team is that?

Or a guy like Coburn, is exactly the kind of thing that is wrong with this team. This is not his first year being streaky, and he isn't the only guy.

Its funny because you can see where this conversation is being lead to. When the talk of Coburn/Murray or back lane hank is regarding a much larger issue. Waste of time.
- flyer_nutter

Holmgren should see if he can trade Coburn for Zhitnik.

The Flyers can still get better by trading Coburn. If may not be next year but in the future. Hard to say if the team will be better adding two new defenseman and losing Coburn. Sometimes its not about the name but about the player that fits what your looking for.

I would trade Mez or Coburn and to me Coburn gets you a better return right now.
- stveshdy

This is starting to border on blind homerism, that no player on the team can do no wrong, or should ever be traded. Or even to have it be talked about. Its funny, because many have said that Murray is not the only option.

Or a guy like Coburn, is exactly the kind of thing that is wrong with this team. This is not his first year being streaky, and he isn't the only guy.

Its funny because you can see where this conversation is being lead to. When the talk of Coburn/Murray or back lane hank is regarding a much larger issue. Waste of time.
- flyer_nutter

Common sense tells you Coburn is better than Murray. However, Murray isnt the only player being added in moving Coburn.

Like I said the team may not be better the next day but it could be better in the future when making the deal.

Agree completely.
- aightwebang17

Agreed.

My personal coaching choices would be Gipper Pipstein and Holland Bugsby.

They both use a system that has a hard defensive outer shell with a milk chocolatey forecheck center.
- feelingkettle

Pipstein is a jerk and Bugsby sells child porn