And suggesting that the Flyers better have a plan to replace Coburn if they trade him. Especially for picks and or prospects. Is part of the conversation. Or at least it should be. And looking at every angle from an informed perspective is part of that conversation.
- MJL

Where would we be with you?

Coburn would easily bring back a 1st
- Just5

Perhaps. At the same time, that likely means it'd take a first to replace him, too

Coburn would easily bring back a 1st
- Just5

Late 1st rounder. Again, I don't make that deal until I know exactly who is still on the board.

Its easy to defend everything. Its harder to be creative and look outside the box.
- stveshdy

Its predictable as hell.

Honestly how many times do you come here, and hmmm there goes another debate over the smallest thing, with someone leading the charge.

Its gets old really damn fast, and its a trend. Starting a topic, at the very least is something that contributes. Instead of shooting down every damn idea.

Lets just sit here and talk about how good the team is, and how Lava is murdering our goldfish.

Booin for Drouin.
- hereticpride

Oh yea everyone gear up were climbing that draft board!!

Then why have a board to discuss things?
- stveshdy

I don't think he was suggesting we shouldn't discuss trades. The suggestion was that suggesting the trade to begin with is just as much the GMs job as the follow up questions. This kind of threw me for a loop too, to be honest.

Perhaps. At the same time, that likely means it'd take a first to replace him, too
- Jsaquella

My thought process is more to gearing up for the future. I dont believe they are a cup contending team next year either. Load the farm up and get as many picks as you can. Sign some cheaper guys for third pairing.

Perhaps. At the same time, that likely means it'd take a first to replace him, too
- Jsaquella

Coburn and a 1st for Murray and a 1st.

I explained that already in previous post.

They could get a younger defenseman and pick(s). Could add two cheaper players for third pairing.
- stveshdy

And I explained the ramifications of the doubts of the younger defenseman possibly not working out. The draft pick not working out. And the possibility of an injury to a top 4 defenseman, and then having to use one of those "cheaper" 3rd pair defenseman in a larger role.
When you trade a defenseman like Coburn, you need to be making a high percentage move.

Its predictable as hell.

Honestly how many times do you come here, and hmmm there goes another debate over the smallest thing, with someone leading the charge.

Its gets old really damn fast, and its a trend. Starting a topic, at the very least is something that contributes. Instead of shooting down every damn idea.

Lets just sit here and talk about how good the team is, and how Lava is murdering our goldfish.
- flyer_nutter

Always two sides to the coin.

Perhaps. At the same time, that likely means it'd take a first to replace him, too
- Jsaquella

If the assumption is we need to replace him now, then yes. But if we are talking about the future than no. Id have to hope the Flyers F/O is looking to the future.

If Coburn gets us a late first rounder right now, I dont think twice, pull the trigger and have Gusty play heavy minutes and get acclimated in dealing with NHL forwards. If the return is less then obviously it all depends.

And I explained the ramifications of the doubts of the younger defenseman possibly not working out. The draft pick not working out. And the possibility of an injury to a top 4 defenseman, and then having to use one of those "cheaper" 3rd pair defenseman in a larger role.
When you trade a defenseman like Coburn, you need to be making a high percentage move.
- MJL

What if the opposite happens and it all works out? Two sides to that.

I also suggested not trading Coburn unless you get the deal you like. I have never suggested to "just trade him".

Its predictable as hell.

Honestly how many times do you come here, and hmmm there goes another debate over the smallest thing, with someone leading the charge.

Its gets old really damn fast, and its a trend. Starting a topic, at the very least is something that contributes. Instead of shooting down every damn idea.

Lets just sit here and talk about how good the team is, and how Lava is murdering our goldfish.
- flyer_nutter

How does a last place team ever replace an inconsistent, up and down, defenseman who lacks offense, and is prone to bad penalties. Would be very difficult.

I did already. Earlier post.
- stveshdy

Not really. Unless you think getting a pick or prospect back. And getting a cheaper 3rd pair qualifies.

That, and there have been a ton of guys who have been downright awful.
- PLindbergh31

i'm sure that's a factor as well

My thought process is more to gearing up for the future. I dont believe they are a cup contending team next year either. Load the farm up and get as many picks as you can. Sign some cheaper guys for third pairing.
- stveshdy

I don't feel that they're that far away, that it'd be important to get an immediate replacement.

Its predictable as hell.

Honestly how many times do you come here, and hmmm there goes another debate over the smallest thing, with someone leading the charge.

Its gets old really damn fast, and its a trend. Starting a topic, at the very least is something that contributes. Instead of shooting down every damn idea.

Lets just sit here and talk about how good the team is, and how Lava is murdering our goldfish.
- flyer_nutter

Now that's unfair. I also submitted skepticism to the method presented (that is, simply 'moving on' from Coburn). As I see it, nobody was simply praising Flyers players, nor refusing to trade them.

Its predictable as hell.

Honestly how many times do you come here, and hmmm there goes another debate over the smallest thing, with someone leading the charge.

Its gets old really damn fast, and its a trend. Starting a topic, at the very least is something that contributes. Instead of shooting down every damn idea.

Lets just sit here and talk about how good the team is, and how Lava is murdering our goldfish.
- flyer_nutter

The debate is about trading Coburn, and the factors involved in trading a player such as Coburn

If the assumption is we need to replace him now, then yes. But if we are talking about the future than no. Id have to hope the Flyers F/O is looking to the future.

If Coburn gets us a late first rounder right now, I dont think twice, pull the trigger and have Gusty play heavy minutes and get acclimated in dealing with NHL forwards. If the return is less then obviously it all depends.
- GirouxForTheShow

I think he'd need to be replaced by next season. And if I picked up another first rounder in this draft, it'd be hard to say no.

How does a last place team ever replace an inconsistent, up and down, defenseman who lacks offense, and is prone to bad penalties. Would be very difficult.
- PLindbergh31

Maybe we should all go out to the bar tonight.

Find a woman, and fertilize! Those who can skate, and have a big nose get first crack.

Not really. Unless you think getting a pick or prospect back. And getting a cheaper 3rd pair qualifies.
- MJL

How does that not?

Timonen-Schenn
Mez-Grossmann
two vets/possibly one younger dman in trade

Also add the pick/prospect added in the Coburn deal.

The team may not be better the next day but it has the chance to be better in the future.

Perhaps. At the same time, that likely means it'd take a first to replace him, too
- Jsaquella

Combo of Corvo and ference would do fine

I think he'd need to be replaced by next season. And if I picked up another first rounder in this draft, it'd be hard to say no.
- Jsaquella

Depending on how Gusty plays with an extended look then you may have your replacement. Maybe not. But I think that uncerainty is a non-issue if you're talking about getting a 1st rounder in this years draft. Even if its the 30th pick.

I don't feel that they're that far away, that it'd be important to get an immediate replacement.
- Jsaquella

Really? You told me that they basically been swept by Boston and NJ the last two years and this year they are in the bottom ten.

This team is far away IMO. However, you have the right to your opinion.

What if the opposite happens and it all works out? Two sides to that.

I also suggested not trading Coburn unless you get the deal you like. I have never suggested to "just trade him".
- stveshdy

I agree you haven't. But, correct me if I'm wrong. But you've said repeatedly that you think you can get a very good return for Coburn. And that seems like the main reason why you want to trade him. I personally don't feel that you trade him for that reason.