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Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Mar 20 @ 2:14 PM ET
Yes, we got an 84" 3D tv for the opening of Baseball season.
- mayorofangrytown


How many sets of 3d glasses? I'm thinking there won't be enough.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:16 PM ET
I disagree with that completely. The Flyers can improve their team defense without making a single player move.
- MJL
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The team D likely can be fixed with a coaching/systems adjustment.

They will still struggle to score goals unless they get another offensively skilled defenseman in the line up. Or Meszaros stays healthy and turns into that guy, which seems unlikely.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 20 @ 2:17 PM ET
Maybe it's obvious but all the talk on the thread is about defense. Their goals per game is down nearly a half goal. They haven't exactly been getting blown out in games. If you turn around 6 games this is a different season.
- mayorofangrytown



My guess is that if the Flyers were better defensively as a team, they'd score more goals.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:22 PM ET
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The team D likely can be fixed with a coaching/systems adjustment.

They will still struggle to score goals unless they get another offensively skilled defenseman in the line up. Or Meszaros stays healthy and turns into that guy, which seems unlikely.

- Marc D


Come on...we all know that systems aren't really that important or complicated, they're just like the ones used in NHL 13. Players don't matter and systems don't matter, it's just luck. But Bryz definitely isn't the problem, and we don't need an upgrade oin any defensive spot.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:23 PM ET
Come on...we all know that systems aren't really that important or complicated, they're just like the ones used in NHL 13. Players don't matter and systems don't matter, it's just luck. But Bryz definitely isn't the problem, and we don't need an upgrade oin any defensive spot.
- jmatchett

GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 20 @ 2:23 PM ET
How many sets of 3d glasses? I'm thinking there won't be enough.
- Flyers_01


They fleeced us
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 20 @ 2:25 PM ET
You spend 60 minutes in the D zone chasing the puck then it'll be mighty hard to get O-zone time on attack. Team defense is directly related to the amount of TOA you get per game. You spend all day chasing, you lose time possessing.
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Mar 20 @ 2:25 PM ET
Anyone else see mr "HockeyyInsider" story on Subban refusing to sign Flyers offer sheet?? Pretty sure Flyers would have courted PK first to gauge his interest before putting an offer together like they did Weber.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:25 PM ET
My guess is that if the Flyers were better defensively as a team, they'd score more goals.
- MJL


My guess is that if the Flyers had better defensemen, then they'd be better defensively.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Mar 20 @ 2:26 PM ET
How many sets of 3d glasses? I'm thinking there won't be enough.
- Flyers_01

I kept all of mine from AVATAR so we have plenty.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:28 PM ET
I kept all of mine from AVATAR so we have plenty.
- mayorofangrytown


Best space cowboys vs. blue indians movie ever.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 20 @ 2:28 PM ET
My guess is that if the Flyers had better defensemen, then they'd be better defensively.
- jmatchett



The Flyers have the defenseman to be a much better defensive team then they are.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:29 PM ET
The Flyers have the defenseman to be a much better defensive team then they are.
- MJL


So you disagree that better defensemen would make them better defensively? I'm not saying the current crop couldn't be better with a more focused team defense, but I'm just stating that I think that better defensemen would make the team better defensively.

Edit for clarity.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 20 @ 2:33 PM ET
So you disagree that better defensemen would make them better defensively? I'm not saying the current crop couldn't be better with a more focused team defense, but I'm just stating that I think that better defensemen would make the team better defensively.

Edit for clarity.

- jmatchett


No. "Better" defensemen would not make the team better defensively.

At least not without better puck support from the forwards, unless you added a healthy Erik Karlsson, who can skate through 5 opposing players himself.

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 20 @ 2:34 PM ET
"HockeyyInsider"
- flyerfan28


Clown.

I followed his Twitter account for about a week. It was beyond juvenile.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 20 @ 2:34 PM ET
So you disagree that better defensemen would make them better defensively? I'm not saying the current crop couldn't be better with a more focused team defense, but I'm just stating that I think that better defensemen would make the team better defensively.

Edit for clarity.

- jmatchett



I don't disagree that better defenseman would help make them better. But that is not the real solution. The real solution is to become better as a team defensively. Because regardless of who you get, that has to get better. So I'll reiterate my original point that you replied to. The Flyers don't need to make a singe player change, in order to improve the team defensively. The defense they already have are good enough for them to be a better team defensively.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:36 PM ET
No. "Better" defensemen would not make the team better defensively.

At least not without better puck support from the forwards, unless you added a healthy Erik Karlsson, who can skate through 5 opposing players himself.

- Jsaquella


So if this current team's defense was made up of a healthy Chris Pronger, Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara, Duncan Keith, Chris Letang, and Brent Seabrook, they would be performing at a level similar to that of players like Kurtis Foster and Bruno Gervais and would in no way improve the team's defensive capabilities?
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:39 PM ET
I don't disagree that better defenseman would help make them better. But that is not the real solution. The real solution is to become better as a team defensively. Because regardless of who you get, that has to get better. So I'll reiterate my original point that you replied to. The Flyers don't need to make a singe player change, in order to improve the team defensively. The defense they already have are good enough for them to be a better team defensively.
- MJL


I agree; if they focus more on all-around team defense, they will be better defensively, which will lead to more puck possession time, and therefore (hopefully) more offense.
However, my point is that I don't think this team has a good enough defensive corps as they are right now (regardless of how much team defense they play) to be a contender. Better, absolutely. But I think a change in personnel on the back end is required to be considered a serious threat in the near future.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 20 @ 2:39 PM ET
So if this current team's defense was made up of a healthy Chris Pronger, Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara, Duncan Keith, Chris Letang, and Brent Seabrook, they would be performing at a level similar to that of players like Kurtis Foster and Bruno Gervais and would in no way improve the team's defensive capabilities?
- jmatchett


Yes, if you're going to assemble 7 franchise defensemen it would be better.

But here, in the real world, you can't do something like that except on Xbox.

Otherwise, why don't the Flyers just trade Rusty Fedotenko for Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews?
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Mar 20 @ 2:40 PM ET
Clown.

I followed his Twitter account for about a week. It was beyond juvenile.

- Scoob


LOL I only follow to get a good laugh and that was a good one.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 20 @ 2:41 PM ET
I agree; if they focus more on all-around team defense, they will be better defensively, which will lead to more puck possession time, and therefore (hopefully) more offense.
However, my point is that I don't think this team has a good enough defensive corps as they are right now (regardless of how much team defense they play) to be a contender. Better, absolutely. But I think a change in personnel on the back end is required to be considered a serious threat in the near future.

- jmatchett



My original point that you replied to didn't say anything about what needs to be done to become a contender. And had zero to do with being a contender. It simply stated that they don't need to make any player changes to become better defensively.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Mar 20 @ 2:41 PM ET
So if this current team's defense was made up of a healthy Chris Pronger, Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara, Duncan Keith, Chris Letang, and Brent Seabrook, they would be performing at a level similar to that of players like Kurtis Foster and Bruno Gervais and would in no way improve the team's defensive capabilities?
- jmatchett



that's not realistic. I believe the basic point is there are far less talented dmen on other teams who are far more productive. the issue with this team is overall team defense.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 20 @ 2:42 PM ET
Yes, if you're going to assemble 7 franchise defensemen it would be better.

But here, in the real world, you can't do something like that except on Xbox.

Otherwise, why don't the Flyers just trade Rusty Fedotenko for Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews?

- Jsaquella



I'd throw in Seabrooke. Great player!
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Mar 20 @ 2:42 PM ET
Yes, if you're going to assemble 7 franchise defensemen it would be better.

But here, in the real world, you can't do something like that except on Xbox.

Otherwise, why don't the Flyers just trade Rusty Fedotenko for Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews?

- Jsaquella


Yes, I'm being extreme. My point is that, all things being equal, better defensemen will lead to better defense. Maybe not as drastic as would be required to salvage this team's season, but better to a degree.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 20 @ 2:42 PM ET
I'd throw in Seabrooke. Great player!
- MJL


Well obviously we'd already have Duncan Keith and magical healing powers to make Pronger all better.
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