Ok...I admit it the hawks winning is a all a mirage and they are just a bunch a skirts who have no chance vs the big bad rough and tough ducks or kings or ohhh those scary thugish bruins. Quit now..hang it up...shut down the season and the blogs unless Stanbow finds a physical savior off someone elses roster.

Geez four days of of this...see ya monday nite!

How long will it take the "boardworks empire" here to make this lost as the key reasoning behind a hawk implosion in the post season? The idea the team isn't "built" for competition is, to me, ludicrous based on the strength all-around of a healthy line-up. Place the "concern" squarely where it really belongs and then start pointing fingers.

What I saw was opposition "speed killing" them, in the same manner they can inflict it.

Board Solution: Trade most of the line-up and replace them with slower physical forwards and slower bigger defenders and find a team to sucker out of their promising young goalie prospect.
Re-think the style that won up until yesterday and scrap it.

…and while at it make some non-realistic deadline trades for multi-year additions that bring more Cap crunch in the ensuing years…

Or you can take last night as a message (as I am sure the Hawk line-up will) to what else must be done, and how much deeper you must dig to win 16 post season matches.


…the only teams I truly expect to be wheeling and dealing are ones like Detroit, who have space and may be ready to do massive re-tools/addition and also have an abundance of Cap space and room for "growth."

So I bid you all day, have a good rant, but don't expect an overpayment of some addition who clearly not making-over the face of the Hawk line-up….


I like watching hard fought games were teams fight through adversity by finding ways to win, and I saw one yesterday. Unfortunately my team lost.
So boo-boo and move on.

The real wussies seem to be planted at keyboards, not on the ice.

Certain names and teams I'm not dropping today.

Hawks could deal Frolik, possibly Carcillo. Any of a number of prospects including Hayes (either one), Morin, Smith, Lalonde, Stanton, Carruth, Nordstrom, possibly even McNeill.

There could be bigge rname "ristered" player sont he Hawks dealt, for "bigger" name rostere dplayers form other teams.

You seem to be in the "this team is beyond perfection" mindset, as though any deal will hurt the team. I think you're wroing. And I don't think, more importantly, the Hawks are thinking that way.
- John Jaeckel

If Carcillo was being shown last night then Q totally undermined that by not playing him. Further evidence of the rift/disconnect between Q and the FO? Whatever trade value Carcillo may have had is less after last night.

Q has made some terrible moves this year. Playing Brookbank at forward for how many games at the end of the streak effectively playing 3-4 games with 3 lines.

JJ, couldn't agree more on your physicality points. Anyone who thinks that aspect can be ignored in a 7 game series has not been watching playoff hockey for years. The Hawks seemed to be responding well to it the first 3rd of the season but they have been looking more like last year's team since (the one where everyone stood back and watched Toews getting faced by Thornton). Maybe this has been because of Mayers absence from the lineup?

They need a statement game to bring them together. One where a few of the big names jump in and show they will not be pushed around or step up for each other.

I heared couple of weeks ago that Seabrook has a drinking problem......... anyone knows if this is true?
- Hawkswin

Don't know...but he looks FAT and SLOW and has ALL YEAR.

WANTED: 2 Big Wingers
Good skating ability a must
Able to play bottom 6 duty but have enough skill if needed on the top 6
Physicality is vital
Able to make life uncomfortable for the opposition
Make the opposition hurry their plays or make plays they don't want to make
Energize the team with some solid hits
Must be able to retrieve loose pucks along the boards
Some net front duty required
Dropping gloves may be required on occasion
Able to ply trade for minimum wage
No commitment for next year

GOONS NEED NOT APPLY
- paulr

Yeah, like those requirments can be filled in a whim....refer to my above post.
LOL

>What this game also showed is that the Hawks do not have a second line
>Bolland was a -3, Kane -4, Hayes -2
>Bolland was 40% at the dot -- again -- with 0 shots on goal
>Hayes got leveled at the blueline turning the puck over helping the first goal happen -- a guy his size going down that easy -- yikes -- time for another Hog
>Carcillo probably didn't play because instead of playing his position in the Hawks own zone he was running around all the way to the other side -- constantly leaving his point wide open on the few shifts he did get
>B52, right now, is a much better player than Carcillo
>Mayers, Carcillo -- as someone mentioned -- are "dead" roster spots -- just can't have that
>I believe a trade is coming -- and very soon

JJ,

When do you see a deal happening? Sooner (in the next 3-4 days) or just at the TDL?

JJ,

Your preaching to the choir. Mentioned it earlier this week, Hawks have 4 players with over 40 hits, Bruins have 7.

How long will it take the "boardworks empire" here to make this lost as the key reasoning behind a hawk implosion in the post season? The idea the team isn't "built" for competition is, to me, ludicrous based on the strength all-around of a healthy line-up. Place the "concern" squarely where it really belongs and then start pointing fingers.

What I saw was opposition "speed killing" them, in the same manner they can inflict it.

Board Solution: Trade most of the line-up and replace them with slower physical forwards and slower bigger defenders and find a team to sucker out of their promising young goalie prospect.
Re-think the style that won up until yesterday and scrap it.

…and while at it make some non-realistic deadline trades for multi-year additions that bring more Cap crunch in the ensuing years…

Or you can take last night as a message (as I am sure the Hawk line-up will) to what else must be done, and how much deeper you must dig to win 16 post season matches.


…the only teams I truly expect to be wheeling and dealing are ones like Detroit, who have space and may be ready to do massive re-tools/addition and also have an abundance of Cap space and room for "growth."

So I bid you all day, have a good rant, but don't expect an overpayment of some addition who clearly not making-over the face of the Hawk line-up….


I like watching hard fought games were teams fight through adversity by finding ways to win, and I saw one yesterday. Unfortunately my team lost.
So boo-boo and move on.

The real wussies seem to be planted at keyboards, not on the ice.
- wiz1901

How long will it take the "boardworks empire" here to make this lost as the key reasoning behind a hawk implosion in the post season? The idea the team isn't "built" for competition is, to me, ludicrous based on the strength all-around of a healthy line-up. Place the "concern" squarely where it really belongs and then start pointing fingers.

What I saw was opposition "speed killing" them, in the same manner they can inflict it.

Board Solution: Trade most of the line-up and replace them with slower physical forwards and slower bigger defenders and find a team to sucker out of their promising young goalie prospect.
Re-think the style that won up until yesterday and scrap it.

…and while at it make some non-realistic deadline trades for multi-year additions that bring more Cap crunch in the ensuing years…

Or you can take last night as a message (as I am sure the Hawk line-up will) to what else must be done, and how much deeper you must dig to win 16 post season matches.


…the only teams I truly expect to be wheeling and dealing are ones like Detroit, who have space and may be ready to do massive re-tools/addition and also have an abundance of Cap space and room for "growth."

So I bid you all day, have a good rant, but don't expect an overpayment of some addition who clearly not making-over the face of the Hawk line-up….


I like watching hard fought games were teams fight through adversity by finding ways to win, and I saw one yesterday. Unfortunately my team lost.
So boo-boo and move on.

The real wussies seem to be planted at keyboards, not on the ice.
- wiz1901

Tell me one team, just one, that won the cup with a total lack of any physical play. Do you really think the Hawks speed, skill and complete lack of a physical game will be the first? I don't blame you for running from the debate, you'll have an impossible task finding many buyers for what you're selling.

Yeah, like those requirments can be filled in a whim....refer to my above post.
LOL
- wiz1901

No, but you can get some of that in one or two guys, to complement the Bolligs and the Shaws and then you can at least answer when the bell rings.

Hawks have 3-4 guys on their radar, all of whom bring that ability to respond and escalate (with clean hits mind you). A couple of them . . . are true battleships . . . eastern conference winger and defenseman.

So, Wiz, you can say it is impossible to upgrade this aspect of the Hawks game, and there is no need, but "reliable" sources (and multiple ones in the US AND Canada), are telling me the Hawk FO might not agree with you—for now.

If what's going on w Seabrook was due to overindulgence, I suspect I would have heard something about it.

Concussion symptoms? maybe. He's played "through" them before (which is a medical no-no) but I would bet he had some after the Roussel fight.
- John Jaeckel

Something hasn't been right and it wasn't only last night.

The way the Hawks schedule has worked of late there haven't been back to back games....That's good but may lead to players not taking a game off when they should.

Kane did what he could but he was on the ice for all 4 goals...Needed more play like the 3rd line does it....simple down low cycle and pressure.


Today's article.....Blackhawks give one away late but can learn from loss to Anaheim - FOX Chicago: http://bit.ly/ZWzogb

Last three Stanley Cup Champs.

2010 . . . a much more physical Hawk team
2011 . . . Bruins
2012 . . . Kings

And the 2009 Wings had three guys named Helm, Stuart and Kronwall who could throw some hits, especially the latter two, who are bigger hitters than ANYONE on your great 2012-13 Hawk club. So, bad example I'm afraid.
- John Jaeckel

Right on, JJ. I'm not sure what he meant by that Wings comment, seeing as how they have always managed to have a good mix of grit and talent. I just wanted to also add that at the end of the day, professional sports is a busniess. Sometimes guys get traded, you give up picks, move prospects, etc. It has to be done to better your team and get to the ultimate goal at the end of the year. I'm a Hawks fan too, but I also realize that there is a need to for a couple extra pieces on the current squad. It's not always easy but it's necassary. I don't think Mohel sees that.

JJ,

Your preaching to the choir. Mentioned it earlier this week, Hawks have 4 players with over 40 hits, Bruins have 7.
- Beaver-Warrior

Thanks, but I'll argue, the real metric is the big hits. Numbers of hits, I will concede, often don't matter as much.

True, but Saad was guilty of the same earlier as well. Lots of waving at pucks last night.
- John Jaeckel

Yes, lot of waving at pucks. If Kane doesn't shank rebound off Saad's shot with second left in 2nd, Hawks go up 3-1 and likely win; and the post-game commentary would be far different.

Tis the problem with hockey and hockey stats - the degree of luck is unprecedented compared to other sports, according to statiticians.

JJ,

Your preaching to the choir. Mentioned it earlier this week, Hawks have 4 players with over 40 hits, Bruins have 7.
- Beaver-Warrior

Tell you what I'll take 10 hits from Frolik if you'll take one from Lucic!

Don't know...but he looks FAT and SLOW and has ALL YEAR.
- philco28

He lives behind Pony Bar...you see him in there night after night?

Nope.

They purged many party boys in Burish, Madden, and Steeger...

How long will it take the "boardworks empire" here to make this lost as the key reasoning behind a hawk implosion in the post season? The idea the team isn't "built" for competition is, to me, ludicrous based on the strength all-around of a healthy line-up. Place the "concern" squarely where it really belongs and then start pointing fingers.

What I saw was opposition "speed killing" them, in the same manner they can inflict it.

Board Solution: Trade most of the line-up and replace them with slower physical forwards and slower bigger defenders and find a team to sucker out of their promising young goalie prospect.
Re-think the style that won up until yesterday and scrap it.

…and while at it make some non-realistic deadline trades for multi-year additions that bring more Cap crunch in the ensuing years…

Or you can take last night as a message (as I am sure the Hawk line-up will) to what else must be done, and how much deeper you must dig to win 16 post season matches.


…the only teams I truly expect to be wheeling and dealing are ones like Detroit, who have space and may be ready to do massive re-tools/addition and also have an abundance of Cap space and room for "growth."

So I bid you all day, have a good rant, but don't expect an overpayment of some addition who clearly not making-over the face of the Hawk line-up….


I like watching hard fought games were teams fight through adversity by finding ways to win, and I saw one yesterday. Unfortunately my team lost.
So boo-boo and move on.

The real wussies seem to be planted at keyboards, not on the ice.
- wiz1901

Sharp and Hossa out is a greater loss than Perry plus two guys out leads to more probelms with rotations...

Ducks above all are big and play a quick game....LA is big and skilled too....

The Hawks most likley won't have to go through both to get out of the West.

There is will be an addition, maybe two but don't expect a remodel and suddenly the Boston Bruins appear on the ice.

Today's article.....Blackhawks give one away late but can learn from loss to Anaheim - FOX Chicago: http://bit.ly/ZWzogb

Tell you what I'll take 10 hits from Frolik if you'll take one from Lucic!
- paulr

well played...

I admit to seeing many "titty-bumps" by him last night...Lol.

As much as I've been a nay-sayer on the possibility, is Steve Ott really available in Buffalo?
- FredoXV

REPOST from Ty and you have your answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I40HfH1UiXo

Certain names and teams I'm not dropping today.

Hawks could deal Frolik, possibly Carcillo. Any of a number of prospects including Hayes (either one), Morin, Smith, Lalonde, Stanton, Carruth, Nordstrom, possibly even McNeill.

There could be bigge rname "ristered" player sont he Hawks dealt, for "bigger" name rostere dplayers form other teams.

You seem to be in the "this team is beyond perfection" mindset, as though any deal will hurt the team. I think you're wroing. And I don't think, more importantly, the Hawks are thinking that way.
- John Jaeckel

Not true that I think they are perfect. And I am glad that management agrees with us. The Hawks have designed a roster to fit the system they want to play, and it seems (that word again) that many here don't like that system and want a more grinding physical style team to root for. That can't happen overnight. Do we think the Hawks will suddenly be the Kings or Bruins by adding two guys who can bang? I don't think so. The Hawks, for the foreseeable future are going to be a team based on speed and skill. Could they benefit from a great player? Sure. Could they benefit from a 4th line center? Hell yes. But the core of this team is not changing its stripes this year.

The Kings and Bruins style CAN beat the Hawks - the task for Hawks management right now is to identify what they are actually able to do to maximize the odds they can beat those teams this year. Unfortunately StanBo must do this in the real world, not on NHL13.

>What this game also showed is that the Hawks do not have a second line
>Bolland was a -3, Kane -4, Hayes -2
>Bolland was 40% at the dot -- again -- with 0 shots on goal
>Hayes got leveled at the blueline turning the puck over helping the first goal happen -- a guy his size going down that easy -- yikes -- time for another Hog
>Carcillo probably didn't play because instead of playing his position in the Hawks own zone he was running around all the way to the other side -- constantly leaving his point wide open on the few shifts he did get
>B52, right now, is a much better player than Carcillo
>Mayers, Carcillo -- as someone mentioned -- are "dead" roster spots -- just can't have that
>I believe a trade is coming -- and very soon
- SnapitUpstairs

Amen! Imagine what the second line, and its stats, would look like without Kane having a maginficent year. Imagine Kane with a + 2nd line Center.

Right on, JJ. I'm not sure what he meant by that Wings comment, seeing as how they have always managed to have a good mix of grit and talent. I just wanted to also add that at the end of the day, professional sports is a busniess. Sometimes guys get traded, you give up picks, move prospects, etc. It has to be done to better your team and get to the ultimate goal at the end of the year. I'm a Hawks fan too, but I also realize that there is a need to for a couple extra pieces on the current squad. It's not always easy but it's necassary. I don't think Mohel sees that.
- Hank3Henshaw

if he comes back (which he is welcome to, BTW) I will post the Kronwall devastation of Havlat video—done en route to the Stanley Cup.

Not true that I think they are perfect. And I am glad that management agrees with us. The Hawks have designed a roster to fit the system they want to play, and it seems (that word again) that many here don't like that system and want a more grinding physical style team to root for. That can't happen overnight. Do we think the Hawks will suddenly be the Kings or Bruins by adding two guys who can bang? I don't think so. The Hawks, for the foreseeable future are going to be a team based on speed and skill. Could they benefit from a great player? Sure. Could they benefit from a 4th line center? Hell yes. But the core of this team is not changing its stripes this year.

The Kings and Bruins style CAN beat the Hawks - the task for Hawks management right now is to identify what they are actually able to do to maximize the odds they can beat those teams this year. Unfortunately StanBo must do this in the real world, not on NHL13.
- mohel

How hard would it be for this team to play like the 2010 Hawks? I would think not hard. They are missing a couple of bangers upfront who can also play. And they can pretty much go get that. Not brain surgery and not hard. All good bro.'

And I agree, it ain't NHL '13. BUT . . . a creative GM and front office can get things done. But if you overvalue your team and each guy on it, you will not. You will be stuck with what you have, for better . . . or worse.

The good news is, what I am hearing is the Hawks KNOW the streak was what it was, some good hockey and some luck, and that they have some holes. And the guys they are looking at are PERFECT for what we're talking about.

Last three Stanley Cup Champs.

2010 . . . a much more physical Hawk team
2011 . . . Bruins
2012 . . . Kings

And the 2009 Wings had three guys named Helm, Stuart and Kronwall who could throw some hits, especially the latter two, who are bigger hitters than ANYONE on your great 2012-13 Hawk club. So, bad example I'm afraid.
- John Jaeckel

If we determine that fast, skilled teams cannot win then the Hawks need to rebuild from scratch and the Cup is not possible for this core.

BTW - the snark of "your great Hawks team" was unnecessary.