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Rocktane
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 03.08.2011

Mar 21 @ 7:31 PM ET
I may be leight to the party, but according to Andy Strickland, the Blues have interest in Talbot.

Thoughts?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:31 PM ET
Jesus, it was February 15th, 2000. Over 13 years ago.

And that one was the GWG

- Jsaquella


Watching Sault St Marie vs Owen Sound playoffs.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:35 PM ET
well, obviously they'd have to replace his spot on the roster. i just meant an "equally talented" replacement. undoubtedly whoever you brought in wouldn't be as good an option. but (at least in my opinion) the future benefits would make it worth it

and fair enough drawing a line after high 1st rounders. i wouldn't require quite as much. i think the stance on exactly how much they'd need to get in a return is a tough one to argue (extremely subjective...at least if we're gonna break it down to exactly where in a particular round the pick would fall). for a late first rounder, i'd want a nice prospect as well. nhl ready (younger) players would be fantastic though

- FlyerMike18


When dealing with a getting a draft pick in return for Coburn. The future benefits aren't a guarantee.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 21 @ 7:35 PM ET
I may be leight to the party, but according to Andy Strickland, the Blues have interest in Talbot.

Thoughts?

- Rocktane


Deal.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:36 PM ET
Bad late goal given up by Sault St Marie

tied at 1 after 1
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 21 @ 7:37 PM ET
I may be leight to the party, but according to Andy Strickland, the Blues have interest in Talbot.

Thoughts?

- Rocktane

Depends on what they're offering.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 21 @ 7:37 PM ET
Watching Sault St Marie vs Owen Sound playoffs.
- ob18


How does nurse look?
Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Mar 21 @ 7:39 PM ET
Bill, I agree completely! This is a lost season. To spend valuable assets on a 9% chance of making the playoffs is a suckers bet! Following your logic, not only would I stand pat and not trade for rentals, I would ask both Timmonen and Briere to waive their no trade clauses and move them to a contender. I highly doubt both these players would object to a shot at winning a cup his year. Then, I would buyout Bryzgalov over the summer. With the cap decreasing next year, there would be somewhere around 17million in cap space available, and the returns of younger players and picks will also benefit this team moving forward. Next years prices for UFA's and RFA's should be reduced as well. This represents significant flexibility for Homer to replace these players with younger, less expensive, and more productive talent. While Timmonen is a terrific guy, and was once a preeminent D man, his injury prone body, age, and the fact that his speed has decreased significantly, leaves him vulnerable to speedier wingers. If you look at his penalty ratio per minute played, it has increased dramatically. He has to take hooking, holding and tripping penalties to compensate for his diminished skills. I really love the guy, but even he knows he has but one season left. As for Briere, he is somewhat the same, only in an offensive role. He's slowed down considerably, misses the net too often, and refuses to get into the "dirty" areas where he once was a magician. When it comes to Bryz, well, for all the talent he has, it is sporadic that his teammates have lost confidence that he will come up with the big save when things break down in front of him. His save percentage is fairly low for starting goalies, let alone 6mil a year net minders. I don't care that he is eccentric, most goalies are. My issue lies with the fact that he can't "steal" a game when the team doesn't play it's best hockey. These moves would either leave Homer the flexibility to acquire players capable of playing Lavy's uptempo system, or hire a head coach who employs a system better suited to the current talent on this team.

Your thoughts?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:39 PM ET
How does nurse look?
- Just5


Decent now during intermission I changed to Kingston vs Barrie
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:40 PM ET
Not next year. Is that a requirement in order to trade him for a pick? Let's not pretend there are no UFA's available that can do what he does. Sign a ference and a corvo, something like that. Now you have an extra 1st rounder and maybe more in the draft. Why is this concept so hard? If your the flyers you had better take advantage of teams that will overpay at the deadline.
- Just5


Why is the concept of they already need to add defenseman in addition to what they already have, so hard? And when they sign a Corvo, we'll see who get's in line to criticize the move when it turns out that he can't cut it. And let's not forget history. Last years UFA class of defenseman was better then this year's upcoming class. How did Holmgren fair then? How many people took their turn ripping Holmgren for not getting it done? How mnay criticized the 3rd pair and the lack of depth on the defense? Now they want to trade a top defenseman on the team because they're having a bad year.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:41 PM ET
I must recommend hockey streams for all games............watching OHL playoffs right now.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 21 @ 7:43 PM ET
I must recommend hockey streams for all games............watching OHL playoffs right now.
- ob18

Price?
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:43 PM ET
Any chance the Flyers sign Ghost right after the college season to get a few games in the AHL to give him a taste of the professional level?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:43 PM ET
I must recommend hockey streams for all games............watching OHL playoffs right now.
- ob18

Been a loyal member for about 3 years sir
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:44 PM ET
Bill, I agree completely! This is a lost season. To spend valuable assets on a 9% chance of making the playoffs is a suckers bet! Following your logic, not only would I stand pat and not trade for rentals, I would ask both Timmonen and Briere to waive their no trade clauses and move them to a contender. I highly doubt both these players would object to a shot at winning a cup his year. Then, I would buyout Bryzgalov over the summer. With the cap decreasing next year, there would be somewhere around 17million in cap space available, and the returns of younger players and picks will also benefit this team moving forward. Next years prices for UFA's and RFA's should be reduced as well. This represents significant flexibility for Homer to replace these players with younger, less expensive, and more productive talent. While Timmonen is a terrific guy, and was once a preeminent D man, his injury prone body, age, and the fact that his speed has decreased significantly, leaves him vulnerable to speedier wingers. If you look at his penalty ratio per minute played, it has increased dramatically. He has to take hooking, holding and tripping penalties to compensate for his diminished skills. I really love the guy, but even he knows he has but one season left. As for Briere, he is somewhat the same, only in an offensive role. He's slowed down considerably, misses the net too often, and refuses to get into the "dirty" areas where he once was a magician. When it comes to Bryz, well, for all the talent he has, it is sporadic that his teammates have lost confidence that he will come up with the big save when things break down in front of him. His save percentage is fairly low for starting goalies, let alone 6mil a year net minders. I don't care that he is eccentric, most goalies are. My issue lies with the fact that he can't "steal" a game when the team doesn't play it's best hockey. These moves would either leave Homer the flexibility to acquire players capable of playing Lavy's uptempo system, or hire a head coach who employs a system better suited to the current talent on this team.

Your thoughts?

- Hokeeguy9


Prices for top UFA's aren't going to be reduced. In fact Cap hits for top Free Agents are going to increase, not decrease.

And Bryzgalov has kept the Flyers in many games this Season where the team has been badly outplayed.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 7:44 PM ET
I may be leight to the party, but according to Andy Strickland, the Blues have interest in Talbot.

Thoughts?

- Rocktane


2nd rounder and Ian Cole.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 21 @ 7:45 PM ET
Quincey was had for a 1st and a prospect at the deadline last year. The lack of sellers will make up for the "deep" draft at the deadline. Coburn is def worth that.
- Just5


No doubt about it. The Flyers need to be sellers at the deadline. They have the option to agree or decline an offer if they dont like it. Every player is available.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 21 @ 7:45 PM ET
Why is the concept of they already need to add defenseman in addition to what they already have, so hard? And when they sign a Corvo, we'll see who get's in line to criticize the move when it turns out that he can't cut it. And let's not forget history. Last years UFA class of defenseman was better then this year's upcoming class. How did Holmgren fair then? How many people took their turn ripping Holmgren for not getting it done? How mnay criticized the 3rd pair and the lack of depth on the defense? Now they want to trade a top defenseman on the team because they're having a bad year.
- MJL


Oh
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:45 PM ET
Been a loyal member for about 3 years sir
- Crimsoninja


Love it, I did a 1 week but will likely change it to the 1 year.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 21 @ 7:45 PM ET
Price?
- Flyskippy


$99 for 1 year covering NHL, AHL, OHL, WHL, QMJHL, & KHL

flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 21 @ 7:46 PM ET
Why is the concept of they already need to add defenseman in addition to what they already have, so hard? And when they sign a Corvo, we'll see who get's in line to criticize the move when it turns out that he can't cut it. And let's not forget history. Last years UFA class of defenseman was better then this year's upcoming class. How did Holmgren fair then? How many people took their turn ripping Holmgren for not getting it done? How mnay criticized the 3rd pair and the lack of depth on the defense? Now they want to trade a top defenseman on the team because they're having a bad year.
- MJL


I think basically what he is saying is that Coburn isnt some god, and just because he may be a top d-man on this team doesn't mean the world. To considering trading a guy who has been streaky as hell throughout his whole career, when you aren't that close to a cup anyway isn't a wild idea.

Back to the endless debate however.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 7:46 PM ET
Bill, I agree completely! This is a lost season. To spend valuable assets on a 9% chance of making the playoffs is a suckers bet! Following your logic, not only would I stand pat and not trade for rentals, I would ask both Timmonen and Briere to waive their no trade clauses and move them to a contender. I highly doubt both these players would object to a shot at winning a cup his year. Then, I would buyout Bryzgalov over the summer. With the cap decreasing next year, there would be somewhere around 17million in cap space available, and the returns of younger players and picks will also benefit this team moving forward. Next years prices for UFA's and RFA's should be reduced as well. This represents significant flexibility for Homer to replace these players with younger, less expensive, and more productive talent. While Timmonen is a terrific guy, and was once a preeminent D man, his injury prone body, age, and the fact that his speed has decreased significantly, leaves him vulnerable to speedier wingers. If you look at his penalty ratio per minute played, it has increased dramatically. He has to take hooking, holding and tripping penalties to compensate for his diminished skills. I really love the guy, but even he knows he has but one season left. As for Briere, he is somewhat the same, only in an offensive role. He's slowed down considerably, misses the net too often, and refuses to get into the "dirty" areas where he once was a magician. When it comes to Bryz, well, for all the talent he has, it is sporadic that his teammates have lost confidence that he will come up with the big save when things break down in front of him. His save percentage is fairly low for starting goalies, let alone 6mil a year net minders. I don't care that he is eccentric, most goalies are. My issue lies with the fact that he can't "steal" a game when the team doesn't play it's best hockey. These moves would either leave Homer the flexibility to acquire players capable of playing Lavy's uptempo system, or hire a head coach who employs a system better suited to the current talent on this team.

Your thoughts?

- Hokeeguy9


Ryan Getzlaff and Corey Perry just signed deals with AAV's over $8mm, prices aren't going down. With the CBA mandated limits, prices are going up
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 21 @ 7:46 PM ET
2nd rounder and Ian Cole.
- Jsaquella


Pretty steep but if I'm the flyers I start negotiations there.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 21 @ 7:46 PM ET
$99 for 1 year covering NHL, AHL, OHL, WHL, QMJHL, & KHL
- ob18


That's a lot of hockey.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 21 @ 7:47 PM ET
$99 for 1 year covering NHL, AHL, OHL, WHL, QMJHL, & KHL
- ob18


Based on your recommendation, I will probably see if the wife will allow me to spend the coin
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