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vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Mar 23 @ 2:02 PM ET
with a little more then a week before the deadline, this place is pretty dead for a rumor site
- mydoglicks

the calm before the storm
flyerfan28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CA
Joined: 02.06.2012

Mar 23 @ 2:03 PM ET
Word is Homer and director of player personnel are present at the Minnesota Wild game
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Mar 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Mar 23 @ 2:08 PM ET
Word is Homer and director of player personnel are present at the Minnesota Wild game
- flyerfan28


The other word is that there was a college tournament there in the last few days.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 23 @ 2:17 PM ET
I'm all for casual banter and fan expression.

It's only sad when certain people parade around here like they're some kind of yet-discovered hockey savant, gracing us with the first and last word on coaching/systems, management, personnel, and legal, as if they were privy to more than just fan access.

Yeah, some posters are more steeped in the game than others, for sure, but nobody who has the inclination to lurk on HB for hours a day is likely to be winning any Jack Adams, or getting headhunted by NHL front-offices, or getting invited to the TSN panel.

We're all just fans -- there's just no need for all the arrogance and pretense.

- Tomahawk

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 23 @ 2:35 PM ET
I'm not accusing you. Just having a discussion about it.
- stveshdy

I find your lack of avatar disturbing.

(said in MJL's avatar's voice)
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Mar 23 @ 2:39 PM ET
Word is Homer and director of player personnel are present at the Minnesota Wild game
- flyerfan28

briere to minn?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 23 @ 2:40 PM ET
Don't question the Flyers b/c that would make you a fan that likes to "complain". It's fine that they can't draft a defenseman (who can play) for decades.
- stveshdy

There is plenty of blame to throw around with this year's team: Management, coaching, and players alike.

Critiquing and complaining are two different things. When folks like MJL, Jsaq, and Bill Meltzer himself review areas of the team that need improvement, that's critiquing.

When others come on and do nothing but grumble and offer no solutions to the issues that they take with the team -- and do so repetitively day after day without adding anything else to the discussion -- that's complaining.

Sorry that someone had to make that distinction on here.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Mar 23 @ 2:43 PM ET
I'm all for casual banter and fan expression.

It's only sad when certain people parade around here like they're some kind of yet-discovered hockey savant, gracing us with the first and last word on coaching/systems, management, personnel, and legal, as if they were privy to more than just fan access.

Yeah, some posters are more steeped in the game than others, for sure, but nobody who has the inclination to lurk on HB for hours a day is likely to be winning any Jack Adams, or getting headhunted by NHL front-offices, or getting invited to the TSN panel.

We're all just fans -- there's just no need for all the arrogance and pretense.

- Tomahawk

I have no idea. Who you might be. Talking about.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 2:50 PM ET
briere to minn?
- 2Real


Maybe, or it could be a smaller deal he's looking at.............or something else all together.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 23 @ 2:56 PM ET
I'm all for casual banter and fan expression.

It's only sad when certain people parade around here like they're some kind of yet-discovered hockey savant, gracing us with the first and last word on coaching/systems, management, personnel, and legal, as if they were privy to more than just fan access.

Yeah, some posters are more steeped in the game than others, for sure, but nobody who has the inclination to lurk on HB for hours a day is likely to be winning any Jack Adams, or getting headhunted by NHL front-offices, or getting invited to the TSN panel.

We're all just fans -- there's just no need for all the arrogance and pretense.

- Tomahawk

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 23 @ 2:57 PM ET
I find your lack of avatar disturbing.

(said in MJL's avatar's voice)

- Flyskippy

Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 23 @ 2:58 PM ET
Dear God.. Tampa is playing terrible.. We have some serious competition for last ...Dammit!
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 23 @ 2:58 PM ET
There is plenty of blame to throw around with this year's team: Management, coaching, and players alike.

Critiquing and complaining are two different things. When folks like MJL, Jsaq, and Bill Meltzer himself review areas of the team that need improvement, that's critiquing.

When others come on and do nothing but grumble and offer no solutions to the issues that they take with the team -- and do so repetitively day after day without adding anything else to the discussion -- that's complaining.

Sorry that someone had to make that distinction on here.

- Flyskippy


In the end it's ones opinion against another. I can defend everything the Flyers do but that's just to easy IMO.

Not sure why its critiquing when they do it but its complaining for others. I just thought everyone was giving their critique.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
Dear God.. Tampa is playing terrible.. We have some serious competition for last ...Dammit!
- Hextall271


I would think they have the tiebreaker if its head to head
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Mar 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
I have no idea. Who you might be. Talking about.
- feelingkettle


Im not exactly sure. If I am understanding correctly. But I may have an idea.

isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Mar 23 @ 3:02 PM ET
Dear God.. Tampa is playing terrible.. We have some serious competition for last ...Dammit!
- Hextall271

if by some chance they trade St Louis, they would tank big time. they already have a decent prospect pool outside of the goalies.

edit: apparently, their euro goalies are good prospects
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Mar 23 @ 3:04 PM ET
I'm all for casual banter and fan expression.

It's only sad when certain people parade around here like they're some kind of yet-discovered hockey savant, gracing us with the first and last word on coaching/systems, management, personnel, and legal, as if they were privy to more than just fan access.

Yeah, some posters are more steeped in the game than others, for sure, but nobody who has the inclination to lurk on HB for hours a day is likely to be winning any Jack Adams, or getting headhunted by NHL front-offices, or getting invited to the TSN panel.

We're all just fans -- there's just no need for all the arrogance and pretense.

- Tomahawk


fair enough
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 23 @ 3:09 PM ET
if by some chance they trade St Louis, they would tank big time. they already have a decent prospect pool outside of the goalies.
- isaiah520



It's stupefying how they keep attracting the top college UFAs (Tyler Johnson, JT Brown, Andrej Sustr) despite being so terrible the past couple of years... that Steve Yzerman must be one hell of a recruiting talisman.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 3:12 PM ET
It's stupefying how they keep attracting the top college UFAs (Tyler Johnson, JT Brown, Andrej Sustr) despite being so terrible the past couple of years... that Steve Yzerman must be one hell of a recruiting talisman.
- Tomahawk


No state income tax?!?! And they're right out of college they can keep participating in spring break action
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 3:14 PM ET
Dear God.. Tampa is playing terrible.. We have some serious competition for last ...Dammit!
- Hextall271


Not sure why I even bothered to put it on.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 23 @ 3:15 PM ET
Not sure why I even bothered to put it on.
- ob18

Any updates? How those Flyers prospects looking?
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Mar 23 @ 3:16 PM ET
The current D actually has little problem moving the puck as you describe...Grossman often makes quick and decisive puck moving plays to get it out of the defensive zone...Timonen, of course, can move the puck, Schenn has shown he can move the rock when needed... Coburn when he's on his game can do it, even gervais can move the puck adequately (depsite his horrible d)...so, the d often move the puck out of the defensive zone. The problems in the transition game and defensively have more to do with what happens from there. The forwards are pressing too hard offensively and not supporting the breakout enough...teams that trap the neutral zone will often have a numbers advantage in the middle, leaving the team vulnerable to turnovers and breaks the other way. That gap needs to close and the team needs to move up ice as more of a 5 man unit, with the D participating from the back line but not letting anyone get behind. One caveat, if you have a dynamic D man that can consistently "carry the mail" and deliver the puck into the O zone, like a Karlsson, Pitkanen, Pronger or Doughty type, those guys can put a lot of pressure on the opposing team to reverse course and can break the trap. Otherwise, they need to support the puck better as a team, especially as they move through the neutral zone where the gap is too large. The top skilled puck handlers, like like Giroux, Voracek and Briere should be taking the puck through the zone more often... as MJL has been saying, they need to keep the forecheck reeled in a bit...keep a forward high so he can quickly transition to defense on d man pinches and when the puck goes the other way.
- exlund


i'm not saying the current group is necessarily bad at that type of game, or incapable of playing that way. just that his style really emphasizes that. and naturally, they're not quite as good at it as they were with pronger playing 25 minutes a night. there's no question that the poor play of the forwards has been the biggest disappointment this year
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 23 @ 3:16 PM ET
Any updates? How those Flyers prospects looking?
- stveshdy


Dont worry the phantoms will be in good hands
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Mar 23 @ 3:17 PM ET
I would think they have the tiebreaker if its head to head
- Just5


Hahah if it comes down to that..yes we'll lose..
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