Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Tired is not a good thing .. I learned from Poulin , Howe , McCrimmon , Messier , Chelios , Keenan etc not to say you are tired !!

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Everybody is making good points ! He needs help from his teammates ( better DZ coverages and odd man rushes ) but still think saying he is

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
That why they spent all that money !! Leaders never make excuses...

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Tired..you might be tired but not a fan of telling media you are , keep that in the dressing room ..I agree with Lavy playing him a lot

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
I don't mean to rail on Bryz but having a tough time hearing he is always exhausted ..I never hear Brodeur , Lundqvist , Rinne say there are

That's a very sexy scarface, there. I'd assume there's no way he lands here, considering his philosophy.
- bodiva88

G'morning Bo...I'll shoot you a same time this week

Briere= head in the clouds= ubi. This HAS been established.
- SMS4016

He caught it from Bryz.

Its alright, I sent ya a PM as well.

It kind of explains why I bring that up. Another way to put it is everyone posts stupid poop. If it was just facts this place would be boring as hell. To continously call out ideas in these passive aggressive ways that basically just call people stupid (like what is being done to SMS currently), is just the wrong way to approach things imo.

You could laugh along with the guy or simply ignore the posts. Indirectly calling people stupid will get get a reaction, like we see day after day. Also being able to let go that someone else has a different point of view, is something that is lacking.
- flyer_nutter

I am guilty as anyone of posting stupid poop. However when called out on it and confronted i either man up for being wrong or cease and desist my playful banter. Some/most want to just discuss hockey and are passionate enough to have a 28 page debate. That's their thing, i too find it tiring even though I've partaken in some. At some point you have to realize A. I'm right and he's wrong this is going nowhere stop B, he or she is right and I;m wrong-concede or C this is just going nowhere and whether or not anyone thinks i'm right or wrong this is still going nowhere nor does it matter. I've come to the conclusion that I simple debate to say what I have to say and move on. Having the last post is irrelevant and so is getting the other person to agree. its a discussion board not a debate club so winning or losing the debate is irrelevant however I find it healthy for people to have them only for the sake of expanding hockey discussion in regards to this particular board, not for personal agenda's.

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Tired is not a good thing .. I learned from Poulin , Howe , McCrimmon , Messier , Chelios , Keenan etc not to say you are tired !!

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Everybody is making good points ! He needs help from his teammates ( better DZ coverages and odd man rushes ) but still think saying he is

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
That why they spent all that money !! Leaders never make excuses...

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Tired..you might be tired but not a fan of telling media you are , keep that in the dressing room ..I agree with Lavy playing him a lot

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
I don't mean to rail on Bryz but having a tough time hearing he is always exhausted ..I never hear Brodeur , Lundqvist , Rinne say there are
- Flyers_01

I;m just curious, when did Bryz say he was tired? I know he mentioned that the shortened/condensed schedule was tough but I haven't heard anything since then.

Red wing by tommorow book it
- Just5

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

Many in hockey believe DET is frontrunner for DeKeyser but sorting/selection process starts Tuesday, may take a day or two to complete.

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Tired is not a good thing .. I learned from Poulin , Howe , McCrimmon , Messier , Chelios , Keenan etc not to say you are tired !!

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Everybody is making good points ! He needs help from his teammates ( better DZ coverages and odd man rushes ) but still think saying he is

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
That why they spent all that money !! Leaders never make excuses...

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
Tired..you might be tired but not a fan of telling media you are , keep that in the dressing room ..I agree with Lavy playing him a lot

Rick Tocchet ‏@RealRocket22 1h
I don't mean to rail on Bryz but having a tough time hearing he is always exhausted ..I never hear Brodeur , Lundqvist , Rinne say there are
- Flyers_01

Embarrassing. The Philly media needs to stop taking everything he say verbatim. It's obvious he struggles with the language. Stop dissecting every little thing.

I was actually surprised to here Macnow call out some guys over this on air.

I;m just curious, when did Bryz say he was tired? I know he mentioned that the shortened/condensed schedule was tough but I haven't heard anything since then.
- JoeRussomanno

“I feel exhausted, and I’m pretty sure my team feels the same way because it’s a crazy schedule,” Bryzgalov said. “Lots of travel, lots of games, lots of back-to-back games and sometimes it’s just tough to find the energy and emotions to play some games, even when you know it’s a very important game. But nothing is left inside you because you need some time to regroup.”

That's from a few weeks ago but that's all I've seen.

“I feel exhausted, and I’m pretty sure my team feels the same way because it’s a crazy schedule,” Bryzgalov said. “Lots of travel, lots of games, lots of back-to-back games and sometimes it’s just tough to find the energy and emotions to play some games, even when you know it’s a very important game. But nothing is left inside you because you need some time to regroup.”

That's from a few weeks ago but that's all I've seen.
- Flyers_01

He's being honest but the Flyers aren't the only team that's tired.

“I feel exhausted, and I’m pretty sure my team feels the same way because it’s a crazy schedule,” Bryzgalov said. “Lots of travel, lots of games, lots of back-to-back games and sometimes it’s just tough to find the energy and emotions to play some games, even when you know it’s a very important game. But nothing is left inside you because you need some time to regroup.”

That's from a few weeks ago but that's all I've seen.
- Flyers_01

I saw that too and if a player can't answer a question, then why play the charade of having reporters ask them questions. Not saying there isnt anything wrong with this but I never knew honesty to be a flaw

Embarrassing. The Philly media needs to stop taking everything he say verbatim. It's obvious he struggles with the language. Stop dissecting every little thing.

I was actually surprised to here Macnow call out some guys over this on air.
- hereticpride

Let's keep in mind what his Phoenix teammates said about Bryz :

http://www.broadstreethoc...yotes-philadelphia-flyers

Q: Is he misunderstood? Sometimes you look at a guy who's speaking a second language and go wait a minute. My take on it is that's an excuse, so I'm gonna say no, but I'm not his teammate. I was just watching.

A:No, he's a pretty smart guy. He knew what he was saying.

Q: There is a mental strength that is missing there, right?

A:We're actually glad -- first of all, I'm glad he's gone because the guy we brought in has done a great job and fitted in real well, made our team even closer. There was some animosity there with Bryz sometimes. We don't have that with [Mike Smith] so we have a good group and we're winning games because of it.

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Those were his teammates quotes and while we should take them with a grain of salt, we shouldn't dismiss them just because Bryz is on the Flyers and everyone wants him to do well. The gist I get from some of this is that Bryz plays up the language issue because fans fall for it.

“I feel exhausted, and I’m pretty sure my team feels the same way because it’s a crazy schedule,” Bryzgalov said. “Lots of travel, lots of games, lots of back-to-back games and sometimes it’s just tough to find the energy and emotions to play some games, even when you know it’s a very important game. But nothing is left inside you because you need some time to regroup.”

That's from a few weeks ago but that's all I've seen.
- Flyers_01

Flyers had the most brutal schedule to open the season by far with the sheer number of games, the back-to-backs, and the stretches away from home. No debating it. That's why teams are just now catching up to the Flyers in games played here with well less than half a season remaining.

So I have no problem with what he said. Further, Bryz has played more than any other goalie in the league because the Flyers don't have a backup. And finally, losing is exhausting, and I would imagine being a goalie on a crappy team is even more so.

I'm just curious why tocchet picked today to wail about a month old quote.

Joe here's the thing. SIX weeks ago I posted a few opinions... Buy out bryz, trade coots for #1 dman, buy out briere, continue to go young, get young goalie with some experience with high upside ie bernier, and I was absolutely crucified on this site. Almost everyone disagreed. Was told bryz is great, coots selke in future, no need for #1 dman, stay the course. Well now look, the last two weekS all you see on here is buyouts, trades, etc... Guess I'm not that stupid after all. I didnt take offense then and I don't now. I hope you dOnt either or anyone else for that matter. I admit I am extreme at times but it's only to exaggerate a point, it's not intended to make it seem personal or to be a d bag. But I have to admit as I'm seeing more and more people state on here our need for puck moving dman even if we have to trade coots to get it, and bryz needs to be bought out because he isn't as good as he's contract, anD brier needs to be bought out really really really brings a smile to my face

Joe here's the thing. SIX weeks ago I posted a few opinions... Buy out bryz, trade coots for #1 dman, buy out briere, continue to go young, get young goalie with some experience with high upside ie bernier, and I was absolutely crucified on this site. Almost everyone disagreed. Was told bryz is great, coots selke in future, no need for #1 dman, stay the course. Well now look, the last two weekS all you see on here is buyouts, trades, etc... Guess I'm not that stupid after all. I didnt take offense then and I don't now. I hope you dOnt either or anyone else for that matter. I admit I am extreme at times but it's only to exaggerate a point, it's not intended to make it seem personal or to be a d bag. But I have to admit as I'm seeing more and more people state on here our need for puck moving dman even if we have to trade coots to get it, and bryz needs to be bought out because he isn't as good as he's contract, anD brier needs to be bought out really really really brings a smile to my face
- SMS4016

you're still fabricating and overlooking things to fit your purpose.

A. no one has said Bryzgalov is great only that he's a solid goalie who gives the team a chance to win, which is all the flyers really ever needed or any team for that matter. Nothing has changed in those SIX weeks.

B. I said last season if amnesty becomes a reality that Briere would be my number one candidate, so guess how heavy of a cross I was put on?

C. when I'm confronted with facts that deflate my opinion, i acknowledge it and adjust or abandon my opinion accordingly.

Flyers had the most brutal schedule to open the season by far with the sheer number of games, the back-to-backs, and the stretches away from home. No debating it. That's why teams are just now catching up to the Flyers in games played here with well less than half a season remaining.

So I have no problem with what he said. Further, Bryz has played more than any other goalie in the league because the Flyers don't have a backup goalie. And finally, losing is exhausting, and I would imagine being a goalie on a crappy team is even more so.
- wolfhounds

He has been passed by a few goalies and he should have no excuses from here on out especially with only playing 2 games in the last 10 days and every other team in the same situation.

I'm tired of people blaming Bryz's workload on the "crappy backup situation". My opinion is that Lavi is riding Bryz because of the deep hole they dug themselves early in the season so he's riding his horse to get out of it. If it is your opinion that Bryz is costing the Flyers games because he is tired then it makes sense to play the backup (win or lose) more to keep Bryz fresh so that he can win more games.

If you believe Bryz is overworked (and costing the Flyers games) it's yet another reason to get rid of Lavi. His goalie handling has been questionable in the past.

He has been passed by a few goalies and he should have no excuses from here on out especially with only playing 2 games in the last 10 days and every other team in the same situation.

I'm tired of people blaming Bryz's workload on the "crappy backup situation". My opinion is that Lavi is riding Bryz because of the deep hole they dug themselves early in the season so he's riding his horse to get out of it. If it is your opinion that Bryz is costing the Flyers games because he is tired then it makes sense to play the backup (win or lose) more to keep Bryz fresh so that he can win more games.

If you believe Bryz is overworked (and costing the Flyers games) it's yet another reason to get rid of Lavi. His goalie handling has been questionable in the past.
- Flyers_01

if he's not that good, why would lavi or any coach ride him?

Bryz is fine. It is pretty much a general consensus that the team defense is terrible this season, which plays a large part in the Bryz hate. The fact of the matter is, if the team was playing better team defense, Bryz would have top 5 numbers and be considered a primary factor in the team's success. Let's not forget that for the first month or two of the season, he was considered about the only constant positive on the team.....

if he's not that good, why would lavi or any coach ride him?
- JoeRussomanno

What's your opinion on Bryz? Elite? Very Good? Good? Overrated?

In your opinion has Lavi overplayed Bryz? and if so has it cost the Flyers games?

I saw that too and if a player can't answer a question, then why play the charade of having reporters ask them questions. Not saying there isnt anything wrong with this but I never knew honesty to be a flaw
- JoeRussomanno

It was not long after this quote that Bryz started giving short answers.

"How did you feel about your game tonight?"

"Good."

Or, my favorite response to that question, "*sigh*".

He has been passed by a few goalies and he should have no excuses from here on out especially with only playing 2 games in the last 10 days and every other team in the same situation.

I'm tired of people blaming Bryz's workload on the "crappy backup situation". My opinion is that Lavi is riding Bryz because of the deep hole they dug themselves early in the season so he's riding his horse to get out of it. If it is your opinion that Bryz is costing the Flyers games because he is tired then it makes sense to play the backup (win or lose) more to keep Bryz fresh so that he can win more games.

If you believe Bryz is overworked (and costing the Flyers games) it's yet another reason to get rid of Lavi. His goalie handling has been questionable in the past.
- Flyers_01

I'm not making excuses for anything. I think Bryz has played pretty well this season. I'm not sure anybody would argue his performance has been the problem with this team.

And I agree when people say he shouldn't complain about being exhausted...even though it doesn't appear he is in fact doing that.

I was simply pointing out the fact that the Flyers did indeed have the most brutal opening schedule in the NHL. The Flyers have already played more back-to-back games than some teams are going to play the entire season. Still, that excuse only goes so far and nobody is going to feel sorry for them.

And like you said, they should be well-rested for the remaining games of the season.

you're still fabricating and overlooking things to fit your purpose.

A. no one has said Bryzgalov is great only that he's a solid goalie who gives the team a chance to win, which is all the flyers really ever needed or any team for that matter. Nothing has changed in those SIX weeks.

B. I said last season if amnesty becomes a reality that Briere would be my number one candidate, so guess how heavy of a cross I was put on?

C. when I'm confronted with facts that deflate my opinion, i acknowledge it and adjust or abandon my opinion accordingly.
- JoeRussomanno

I wasnt referring to you in particulair. And as far as bryz is concerned I had his stats thrown in my face because of his hot start, and I stated that he is an average goalie maybe slightly Better than average at his absolute best and look at his stats and his play now. So yeah everything has changed in the last six weeks. No one Is throwing his stats up now are they? No because he's average like I said.

Joe here's the thing. SIX weeks ago I posted a few opinions... Buy out bryz, trade coots for #1 dman, buy out briere, continue to go young, get young goalie with some experience with high upside ie bernier, and I was absolutely crucified on this site. Almost everyone disagreed. Was told bryz is great, coots selke in future, no need for #1 dman, stay the course. Well now look, the last two weekS all you see on here is buyouts, trades, etc... Guess I'm not that stupid after all. I didnt take offense then and I don't now. I hope you dOnt either or anyone else for that matter. I admit I am extreme at times but it's only to exaggerate a point, it's not intended to make it seem personal or to be a d bag. But I have to admit as I'm seeing more and more people state on here our need for puck moving dman even if we have to trade coots to get it, and bryz needs to be bought out because he isn't as good as he's contract, anD brier needs to be bought out really really really brings a smile to my face
- SMS4016

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just like everyone is entitled to their opinion of your opinion. I've found if your opinions are rash (ie moving a 20 yr old top 10 pick over a 20 game sample size) you are going to get rash responses.

My two cents: try to be a little more level headed, less argumentative and if you want someone to take your opinion seriously then make it with out saying things like a guy is injured because of a tampon.

If Backstrom can be attained in the offseason on an over 35 contract no thanks! I'm pretty sure they are going to have to give up young assets to get help on the blue line. To get a Hiller, Bishop, or Bernier is going to cost young assests. For a fan base who complains how impatient they are with their young talent, certainly there appears to be an outcry to ship out pretty quick. I'm all for upgrading the blue line, I would wait on Bryz's fate till after the '14 season when hopefully this team has learned to play some team defense in front of a goaltender.

What's your opinion on Bryz? Elite? Very Good? Good? Overrated?

In your opinion has Lavi overplayed Bryz? and if so has it cost the Flyers games?
- Flyers_01

I think he's a good goalie that can play at a very good to elite level for stretches but not consistently. I would consider him elite if he could elevate the whole team for long stretches which he cannot. However if he has a team playing well in front of him he won't drag them down.

For sure Lavi has overplayed him and mishandled him. Why start him in the back to back after Pittsburgh at home against Florida? It was said lavy wanted to send a message that the team can't sit back. Well if he felt the need for that, then perhaps the team was tired and another time would have been ideal to send a message. Also he pulls Bryzgalov in a 4-4 game against pittsburgh while the team is wilting and puts in Boucher who will somehow stop the bleeding to an offensive dynamo like Pittsburgh yet Boucher isn't good enough to start against teams like Florida. Then he leaves Bryz in a game against NJ where the outcome is decided by the start of the second period.

Yes this has cost the flyers games imo. Maybe putting a fresh goalie against Florida could have helped. Maybe not wearing out your number one keeps him fresh enough to make that one prime scoring chance your team always gives up that will make the difference.

I think Bryzgalov does have a hand in his own demise at times by losing focus. Again tho how much is due to being overworked or just himself I don't know. But it seems rather conducive to winning to utilize your assets appropriately.

It's not just with Bryzgalov, Lavy panicked against buffalo and rushed Michael Leighton in a playoff series he had no business being in.

As for Bryzgalov I'd like to see a full season under a coach who emphasizes more fundamental defense or a sound balanced system as opposed to lavy. If he continues to underwhelm there is still time to pull the trigger on an amnesty. Bryzgalov isn't too old to retool a team and get a run going in the next 2-3 years.