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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:49 PM ET
I agree he would probably want to go to a contender to get a chance at a cup. I think his PO experience is his real value. But he also has value to a smaller market team because he is being paid about 4M and cap hit is 6M. Combine those two thoughts and: I think STL, Nashville, or PHX (if they think they can squeeze in) are ideal trade partners for that reason.
- coffee junkie


Possible, but he'd have to agree to go to those places, and they might not be willing to do a buy out, which means he's playing there for the foreseeable future.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:50 PM ET
Decaf for you from now on.
- Flyskippy

I liked you more when you were apathetic
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:50 PM ET
Zubrus was really badly handled. They kept him in the NHL when he should have spent another year in juniors, then spent another 2 or 3 years in the AHL.

Roger Neilson really handled him badly, too, healthy scratches and even had him practice as a defenseman

- Jsaquella



Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:50 PM ET
Possible, but he'd have to agree to go to those places, and they might not be willing to do a buy out, which means he's playing there for the foreseeable future.
- Jsaquella

True or false? Once a player waives their NTC/NMC/Hi-C, it is not in effect with their new team.

I'm wondering if the team that gets him instead would try to trade him the following year if the clause is no longer in effect.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:50 PM ET
I like the cut of your jib, but you don't think NSH holds onto Weber to save face - and keep the lone stalwart on D it has left from the Suter-Weber pairing?
- Flyskippy



he said in two years... i think next year they hold onto him but by the year after that the flyers will have pried him out of there somehow.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:51 PM ET
I liked you more when you were apathetic
- coffee junkie

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:51 PM ET
he said in two years... i think next year they hold onto him but by the year after that the flyers will have pried him out of there somehow.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

OMB

I love this idea.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Mar 25 @ 12:51 PM ET
Yes, but a team has to agree to buy him out. Some teams will shy away from paying him $833,334 every year for the next four years just to rent him for 15 games and the playoffs.
- Jsaquella


Some will, but some will consider 800k a year chump change if it improves their chance to win a cup.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 25 @ 12:51 PM ET
If the Flyers were to trade Briere, it wouldn't be until much, much closer to the deadline. And they'd have to be even further out of the playoff picture.

Guarantee you that they're not giving up on the postseason just yet.

- bradleyc4


So... a week from now.

I predicted somewhere they'd go 1-3-1 in this five game stretch, and that will surely put them in full seller's mode on April 1st and 2nd.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:51 PM ET
You get a team like Boston, who is very unlikely to use a comp buy out and you might be able to cut bait.
- Jsaquella


Boston already fields about 6 centers in their line-up. They're probably much more into someone like Iginla than Briere.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:51 PM ET
Possible, but he'd have to agree to go to those places, and they might not be willing to do a buy out, which means he's playing there for the foreseeable future.
- Jsaquella

I know, his family will have a huge impact on his decisions too (probably more then anything). I think PHX could be a possible destination for that reason. He has lived there and played for them before. And lets admit it. AZ is a nice place to live. All speculation on my part.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Mar 25 @ 12:53 PM ET
So... a week from now.

I predicted somewhere they'd go 1-3-1 in this five game stretch, and that will surely put them in full seller's mode on April 1st and 2nd.

- Feanor


Right, but if they go 3-1-1, they might be right back in the thick of things for a playoff spot. And likely wouldn't trade Briere.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Mar 25 @ 12:53 PM ET
I think they'd give up a 3rd and a prospect. Brenden Morrow is a broken down heap of a third liner. He just got a very good prospect and 3rd rounder.

Briere's rep as a big game hunter will be worth something if he agrees to waive.

- Jsaquella


do you think he would go to boston? and if so would there be away to get dougie
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:54 PM ET
True or false? Once a player waives their NTC/NMC/Hi-C, it is not in effect with their new team.

I'm wondering if the team that gets him instead would try to trade him the following year if the clause is no longer in effect.

- Flyskippy


True, but the team can choose to honor the clause after the trade.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:54 PM ET
do you think he would go to boston? and if so would there be away to get dougie
- mydoglicks


No way you get Hamilton for Briere. You want Hamilton, it's going to cost Couturier, Schenn or Read.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:55 PM ET
Boston already fields about 6 centers in their line-up. They're probably much more into someone like Iginla than Briere.
- bradleyc4


Possible, but it's also likely going to cost less to acquire Briere than Iggy
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 12:56 PM ET
Right, but if they go 3-1-1, they might be right back in the thick of things for a playoff spot. And likely wouldn't trade Briere.
- bradleyc4


If they go 3-1-1. I agree. No way they trade Briere if they're close to the playoffs. and showing signs of improvement.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:56 PM ET
True, but the team can choose to honor the clause after the trade.
- Jsaquella

Thanks for the clarification.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Mar 25 @ 12:57 PM ET
Right, but if they go 3-1-1, they might be right back in the thick of things for a playoff spot. And likely wouldn't trade Briere.
- bradleyc4

Do you see this team going 3-1-1? I'm not sure I see this team getting close to .500 again.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 25 @ 1:00 PM ET
Anyone notice Giroux's stick floats up by his waist way too much. Even on the back check he rarely has it on the ice.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 25 @ 1:02 PM ET
If they go 3-1-1. I agree. No way they trade Briere if they're close to the playoffs. and showing signs of improvement.
- Jsaquella


It probably would also depend on whether or not Briere is putting up any points.

If they could get a top-4 d prospect (such as Morrow for Morrow) while getting out from under Briere's contract, I think they pull the trigger regardless. The question is whether the Flyers would bring that player up for the rest of the season while they push toward the post-season which could in theory help out the team more than an unproductive Briere.

Also, some teams are going to get more desperate this coming week.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 1:03 PM ET
Possible, but he'd have to agree to go to those places, and they might not be willing to do a buy out, which means he's playing there for the foreseeable future.
- Jsaquella



I would not be surprised if Briere isn't traded by the deadline.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 1:03 PM ET
It probably would also depend on whether or not Briere is putting up any points.

If they could get a top-4 d prospect (such as Morrow for Morrow) while getting out from under Briere's contract, I think they pull the trigger regardless. The question is whether the Flyers would bring that player up for the rest of the season while they push toward the post-season which could in theory help out the team more than an unproductive Briere.

Also, some teams are going to get more desperate this coming week.

- wolfhounds


I think if they're assuming they have a shot to make the playoffs, they don't move Briere. They've seen him flip the switch in the playoffs too often to move a guy who could be their leading playoff scorer again, especially if they're a low seed.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Mar 25 @ 1:04 PM ET
My guess with Briere is that the Flyers are trying to work out a deal to a few teams of Danny's choosing with part of the deal being the team must agree to buy Briere out at the end of the season. My guess is out of respect for Briere, they are listing him as "injured", rather than as a healthy scratch.
- BiggE

EXACTLY what I suspect.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 25 @ 1:04 PM ET
I would not be surprised if Briere isn't traded by the deadline.
- MJL


I wouldn't, either. I'd say it's no better than 50-50 he goes anywhere, maybe less.
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