i'm fine with moving him, and he'll likely be another ex-flyer who wins a cup.
- hammarby31

i could care less if a take takes him and wins the cup we need to focus on our future and briere cannot be in it since in the near term we're not winning the cup

Wow, Kypreos says the price on Murray is 2 2nd rounders or a 2nd & 3rd.
- Jsaquella

I watch Murray all the time he's a hell of a defenseman

They are in desperate need of points. Giving up on a season for purposes of a "better" draft pick rather than fighting for the postseason as long as possible is a disgraceful mentality. Even if you don't have a playoff team, you want to see as much compete level as possible.
- bmeltzer

Spoken like the true master analyst you are, Bill!

come on holmgren you're losing out on deals!!!!!!!

Murray's like a broken down pick up truck. He's not a great addition at all
- Jsaquella

We'll see how he plays on one of the best teams in the league. It's amazing how a change and a legit chance at the cup can do wonders for a player's performance.

I watch Murray all the time he's a hell of a defenseman
- 2Real

We already have him in Grossmann, even though Grossmann is probably better right now.

Spoken like the true master analyst you are, Bill!
- JoeRussomanno

haven't you hear the term 3 steps forward 1 step back yea that applies here sometimes we need to step back to step forward

We already have him in Grossmann, even though Grossmann is probably better right now.
- jak521

no murray is much getter than defense murray is on more par with schenn but not inexperienced

I watch Murray all the time he's a hell of a defenseman
- 2Real

He's tough, but most seem to feel that he's breaking down and lost a step. For a guy that didn't have a lot of steps to begin with, seems like a lot to pay.

Murray's like a broken down pick up truck. He's not a great addition at all
- Jsaquella

I disagree. Murray is a fine #4-5 guy. He's really Grossmann, except Grossmann is a little bit better. Exact same dman.
Its a great addition to a team going for it all.

Wow, Kypreos says the price on Murray is 2 2nd rounders or a 2nd & 3rd.
- Jsaquella

Well he's at least as good as grossman so it makes sense

Great trade for the Pens.

In 2009.

(same goes for Morrow)

Great trade for the Pens.

In 2009.

(same goes for Morrow)
- bradleyc4

Hes still way better than Engelland if they just swap him out

He's tough, but most seem to feel that he's breaking down and lost a step. For a guy that didn't have a lot of steps to begin with, seems like a lot to pay.
- Jsaquella

Good. I hope the Pens keep giving up their picks and prospects to Western teams. It's not like we're in serious contention this year.

I imagine this puts a lot of pressure on Boston to pull the trigger on Iginla...or maybe Briere if there's actual interest there.

Well he's at least as good as grossman so it makes sense
- Just5

Except he's not. Grossmann is younger, blocks more shots and is more mobile.

Douglas Murray, from most accounts, has suffered a big drop in play.

Good. I hope the Pens keep giving up their picks and prospects to Western teams. It's not like we're in serious contention this year.

I imagine this puts a lot of pressure on Boston to pull the trigger on Iginla...or maybe Briere if there's actual interest there.
- wolfhounds

Possibly, but not neccessarily.

If SJ can get an astute GM in Ray Shero to overpay for a declining D-man, I can't wait to see what Holmgren gets for a proven playoff performer in Briere.

I'm all pumped up.

So Murray gets 2 2nd rounders....Who is left that doesnt feel Coburn will get this years 1st from a bubble team at a minimal?

If SJ can get an astute GM in Ray Shero to overpay for a declining D-man, I can't wait to see what Holmgren gets for a proven playoff performer in Briere.

I'm all pumped up.
- PLindbergh31

So Murray gets 2 2nd rounders....Who is left that doesnt feel Coburn will get this years 1st from a bubble team at a minimal?
- Just5

I'd do it.
Or maybe get a first and next years 2nd.

murray have an NTC?

I'd do it.
Or maybe get a first and next years 2nd.
- the deaninator

A 1st and a 3rd and I'd pull the trigger

So Murray gets 2 2nd rounders....Who is left that doesnt feel Coburn will get this years 1st from a bubble team at a minimal?
- Just5

Why do you want to do that?

A 1st and a 3rd and I'd pull the trigger
- Just5

I thought that, but I'd at least throw it out there before the most logical deal.