Reminded me of JR. During warmups he flipped a puck into the stands, it knocked over a guy's beer. JR had the trainer get him some cash and he took it over to the guy to pay for the spilled suds
- Jsaquella

he's a better man than tie domi

Only a matter of time that the thought of trading Giroux would come up. This is how it starts. The return for Giroux would have to be massive. To even entertain it. As far as defenseman are concerned, there are very few I would trade Giroux for.

- Jsaquella

HAhahahah took me a bit to spot what happened but then...

I dont get the talk to trade Giroux..
Phillydentist asked if he is scoring this year?

1. On pace for a little under 82 points coming off a 93 point season last year.
2. Do you honestly think Voracek has anything close to the numbers he has without Giroux?

- Jsaquella

What an awesome thing to see in the morning, that is hilarious

I dont get the talk to trade Giroux..
Phillydentist asked if he is scoring this year?

1. On pace for a little under 82 points coming off a 93 point season last year.
2. Do you honestly think Voracek has anything close to the numbers he has without Giroux?
- opeth_pa

His pace started prior to being put on a line with Giroux.. but I agree that G has been good for Voracek..

I will point out this though... People have been killing Couts for his drop in offense. Only 2 goals so far and X amount of points.

His drop in production this year is at 11% (points/g, compared to last season).
Giroux has seen a 31% drop in his offense. That to me has a lot to do with our place in the standings. He has been a very big disappointment this year, but I still think the trade G crap is just ridiculous.

Probably, but at the same time, you can't expect to land them often. Trading Giroux, you have to hit a home run. You can't get a double.
- Jsaquella

Home run? It would have to be a grand franking slam. And not in a spring training game. We're talking bottom of the ninth, two outs, down by 3, game seven of the World Series grand franking slam.

Home run? It would have to be a grand franking slam. And not in a spring training game. We're talking bottom of the ninth, two outs, down by 3, game seven of the World Series grand franking slam.
- Scoob

I agree with this message

HAhahahah took me a bit to spot what happened but then...
- jak521

I watched it like a dozen times and was still "what am I missing here?" I had to read a few more posts to get it.

Home run? It would have to be a grand franking slam. And not in a spring training game. We're talking bottom of the ninth, two outs, down by 3, game seven of the World Series grand franking slam.
- Scoob

Well, yes, but I didn't want to oversell it

His pace started prior to being put on a line with Giroux.. but I agree that G has been good for Voracek..

I will point out this though... People have been killing Couts for his drop in offense. Only 2 goals so far and X amount of points.

His drop in production this year is at 11% (points/g, compared to last season).
Giroux has seen a 31% drop in his offense. That to me has a lot to do with our place in the standings. He has been a very big disappointment this year, but I still think the trade G crap is just ridiculous.
- jak521

Part of the trouble for Giroux is, outside of Voracek, his linemates haven't been scoring. For a guy who is primarily a playmaker, he needs guys who can finish to pile up points. Hartnell hasn't been doing it. I guess we will see if Read can get his mojo back during the stretch run.

His pace started prior to being put on a line with Giroux.. but I agree that G has been good for Voracek..

I will point out this though... People have been killing Couts for his drop in offense. Only 2 goals so far and X amount of points.

His drop in production this year is at 11% (points/g, compared to last season).
Giroux has seen a 31% drop in his offense. That to me has a lot to do with our place in the standings. He has been a very big disappointment this year, but I still think the trade G crap is just ridiculous.
- jak521

The difference to me there is Giroux still has 28 points in 31 games. Yup, not nearly as good as his 93 point season but still puts him as a top scoring player.

Couturier has 7 points so far after a 27 point season putting him on pace for 11 points.

Yes they are both different players but I just have a very hard time trading a player that has all world talent like Giroux that is still having a solid year offensively. Not like he dropped to 60 points a season .

Personally I think any deal for Giroux starts with a number 1 dman, a top 6 forward and a high draftpick. From there how many teams could do that , St Louis seems to be the only one.

People on here seem to think trading Giroux is ridiculous but I don't think it's as outlandish as trading BOTH Carter and Richards within one week of each other. If the price is right going back our way, anyone is fair game. His trade value would be highest now while his cap hit is below $7M+ or whatever it will be.

We traded our top 2 centers and our offense never missed a beat. We lost Pronger and have never recovered from it.

The difference to me there is Giroux still has 28 points in 31 games. Yup, not nearly as good as his 93 point season but still puts him as a top scoring player.

Couturier has 7 points so far after a 27 point season putting him on pace for 11 points.

Yes they are both different players but I just have a very hard time trading a player that has all world talent like Giroux that is still having a solid year offensively. Not like he dropped to 60 points a season .

Personally I think any deal for Giroux starts with a number 1 dman, a top 6 forward and a high draftpick. From there how many teams could do that , St Louis seems to be the only one.
- opeth_pa

I understand about Couts, but he also isnt put in the offensive situations that G sees. So a guy who gets mostly defensive situations, and has had mostly checkers for linemates is going through a tough second season. Both players shouldnt be moved unless it is undoubtedly for the best of the team.

You honestly think G could get you Pietrangelo, Oshie, and a top pick? He is good, but I think thats a bit over the top.

People on here seem to think trading Giroux is ridiculous but I don't think it's as outlandish as trading BOTH Carter and Richards within one week of each other. If the price is right going back our way, anyone is fair game. His trade value would be highest now while his cap hit is below $7M+ or whatever it will be.

We traded our top 2 centers and our offense never missed a beat. We lost Pronger and have never recovered from it.
- phillydentist

same day.

People on here seem to think trading Giroux is ridiculous but I don't think it's as outlandish as trading BOTH Carter and Richards within one week of each other. If the price is right going back our way, anyone is fair game. His trade value would be highest now while his cap hit is below $7M+ or whatever it will be.

We traded our top 2 centers and our offense never missed a beat. We lost Pronger and have never recovered from it.
- phillydentist

They lost their top two centers, but added two NHL ready top 9 forwards, plus two top prospects and had a burgeoning star player in Giroux.

They don't have another Giroux. If they didn't have Giroux, then the deals that sent Richards and Carter out would have been utterly crippling.

The difference to me there is Giroux still has 28 points in 31 games. Yup, not nearly as good as his 93 point season but still puts him as a top scoring player.

Couturier has 7 points so far after a 27 point season putting him on pace for 11 points.

Yes they are both different players but I just have a very hard time trading a player that has all world talent like Giroux that is still having a solid year offensively. Not like he dropped to 60 points a season .

Personally I think any deal for Giroux starts with a number 1 dman, a top 6 forward and a high draftpick. From there how many teams could do that , St Louis seems to be the only one.
- opeth_pa

Usually Flyers fans undervalue their own players so I'm glad to see you have a healthy view of Giroux's trade value but I'd do Giroux straight up for Pietrangelo. I doubt STL would do it.

same day.
- jak521

Within the same hour, IIRC.

People on here seem to think trading Giroux is ridiculous but I don't think it's as outlandish as trading BOTH Carter and Richards within one week of each other. If the price is right going back our way, anyone is fair game. His trade value would be highest now while his cap hit is below $7M+ or whatever it will be.

We traded our top 2 centers and our offense never missed a beat. We lost Pronger and have never recovered from it.
- phillydentist

If you're trading Giroux, it better make this team an instant cup contender.

They lost their top two centers, but added two NHL ready top 9 forwards, plus two top prospects and had a burgeoning star player in Giroux.

They don't have another Giroux. If they didn't have Giroux, then the deals that sent Richards and Carter out would have been utterly crippling.
- Jsaquella

It's easier to replenish offense via FA than it is defense. I'd rather Holmgren secure that young #1 D and then go trolling the UFA market to fill in the offensive gaps than the other way around.

And, yes, there is no replacing Giroux but the point is offense is easier to acquire in this new NHL landscape and especially given Holmgren's track record.

If you're trading Giroux, it better make this team an instant cup contender.
- BulliesPhan87

LOL, they are not a Cup contender WITH him. Utterly ridiculous statement.

Within the same hour, IIRC.
- BulliesPhan87

mere seconds apart IMMINPTOM.

LOL, they are not a Cup contender WITH him. Utterly ridiculous statement.
- phillydentist

Not in the least.

It's easier to replenish offense via FA than it is defense. I'd rather Holmgren secure that young #1 D and then go trolling the UFA market to fill in the offensive gaps than the other way around.

And, yes, there is no replacing Giroux but the point is offense is easier to acquire in this new NHL landscape and especially given Holmgren's track record.
- phillydentist

You dont need a #1 D man to win a cup... if it was that easy 15 teams would win the Cup each year.

I believe that Giroux is a more dynamic player then either Carter or Richards. I don't think either of them would ever be considered as a top player in the world yet people were putting Grioux up there with Malkin and Stamkos last season. I just think they have more\better options then moving Grioux.

Package Couturier /Hartnell/read + for a number 1 dman...something like that..

Unless you are getting the deal I threw out there earlier, number 1 dman + forward + pick, i am personally not moving Giroux.