Kimmo's penalties are more out of desperation to prevent a scoring chance than getting caught too often.
- jak521

What is the difference?

Kimmo's penalties are more out of desperation to prevent a scoring chance than getting caught too often.
- jak521

And I think he's a step slower for whatever reason.

Actually bringing the leg up to pin a player doesnt happen....it is you usually stick your leg between the other players legs to pin them. You bend your knee and push it against the boards and the other player has really no where to go, but struggle againt the boards.
- Pyzik

I guess I explained it poorly, to me the action of bringing the leg up was to just get some contact to try and limit the player from moving up the boards. Like grabbing him with your hand but not being able to do that.

What is the difference?
- strongsupporter

The difference is that he is usually the last line of defense and playing in some sort of oddman rush. Its a 3v1 and he hooks a guy.. He is down low and there is no support he takes a holding call.

And I think he's a step slower for whatever reason.
- MJL

No doubt about it..

I guess I explained it poorly, to me the action of bringing the leg up was to just get some contact to try and limit the player from moving up the boards. Like grabbing him with your hand but not being able to do that.
- nbartley9

I agree with you.. I call it collecting. By lifting the leg you are able to pull him in and trap him along the wall and cancel him out.

I agree with you.. I call it collecting. By lifting the leg you are able to pull him in and trap him along the wall and cancel him out.
- jak521

When you lift your leg up off the ice, you lose leverage to pin a guy along the wall. Keeping both skates on the ice allows yo to use the leverage of pushing with you lower body into the player. I don't believe that he intentionally tried to step on him with his skate. But I feel he was trying to deliver a cheap shot to the back of the leg.

that disgracefull mentality won pitt and chicago cups....i dont advocate doing but if you are, this is the best season to do it.
- Philly1980

Pittsburgh and Chicago were both doing a full blow up and restart of the teams. The Flyers still have the foward depth, but need a defensive rebuild. They can do that with the draft and free agents and not have to blow up the whole team.

If you have ever played a single game of ice hockey in your entire life you will know how often that play happens. Hell I do it rather frequently myself. In that case both guys were going for the puck.. they both made contact and Cookes foot left the ice in a pinning motion.. they hit the boards and the sudden stop forced Cookes foot to come down. Total (and likely preventable) freak accident. Kevlar socks.
- jak521

I've played hockey for 20 years as a matter of fact and I've never raised my skate up when going into the boards with a guy whose face is against the glass or when attempting to stop for that matter. Kevlar socks not withstanding there was no need to put his skate on the back of Karlsson's leg. His a dirty POS.

When you lift your leg up off the ice, you lose leverage to pin a guy along the wall. Keeping both skates on the ice allows yo to use the leverage of pushing with you lower body into the player. I don't believe that he intentionally tried to step on him with his skate. But I feel he was trying to deliver a cheap shot to the back of the leg.
- MJL

I do it all the time.. you dont lose leverage at all.. in fact, when you are along the wall battling for the puck you routinely shift your wait in your feet to dig deeper. In the next game watch the players feet as they go into the boards, and see how often it actually happens.. I bet you will be surprised.

Maybe nik and Danny fought eachother in practice. 2 UBI's. haha

Pittsburgh and Chicago were both doing a full blow up and restart of the teams. The Flyers still have the foward depth, but need a defensive rebuild. They can do that with the draft and free agents and not have to blow up the whole team.
- kschmitty33

Name a free agent defenseman that the flyers can get.

I've played hockey for 20 years as a matter of fact and I've never raised my skate up when going into the boards with a guy whose face is against the glass or when attempting to stop for that matter. Kevlar socks not withstanding there was no need to put his skate on the back of Karlsson's leg. His a dirty POS.
- aantny88

Theres the answer right there.

EDIT: The only thing I have a problem with is how high he brought his leg.. his knee was at the level of Karlssons lower back. It should never be that high.

Seth jones could play in our 3rd pairing next year

Seth jones could play in our 3rd pairing next year
- Just5

yes yes he could.

Seth jones could play in our 3rd pairing next year
- Just5

Maybe, maybe not. There is just as likely a possibility of him playing top pairing in JRs again.

yes yes he could.
- Philly1980

Put him with grossman

Maybe, maybe not. There is just as likely a possibility of him playing top pairing in JRs again.
- jak521

We will see he'll have the 10 game tryout

Theres the answer right there.

EDIT: The only thing I have a problem with is how high he brought his leg.. his knee was at the level of Karlssons lower back. It should never be that high.
- jak521

I really think it could go either way. Maybe he intended to do it (Karlsson thinks so, it seems), maybe he lost his balance or whatever the explanation is. I don't think there was enough there to give a suspension. But I won't give the complete benefit of the doubt to a guy who already ended one player's career just because his penalty minutes went down.

Getting pretty tight. Playoff cutoff is likely 53 points. Rangers hold down final playoff spot with 17 games remaining and 33 points. Rangers would need to go 10-7-0 to hit the 53 point total



Rangers 17 10-7-0
Carolina. 18 10-7-1
Washington 16 11-5-0
NYI 16 11-5-0
Buffalo 16 11-5-1
Flyers 17 12-4-1
- spatso

Making matters even worse, at least for the Flyers, is that those teams above us also play each other down the stretch. There's always going to be a team ahead of the Flyers that is gaining the 2 points. Not to mention all the 3 point games, of course.

I've played hockey for 20 years as a matter of fact and I've never raised my skate up when going into the boards with a guy whose face is against the glass or when attempting to stop for that matter. Kevlar socks not withstanding there was no need to put his skate on the back of Karlsson's leg. His a dirty POS.
- aantny88

I would bet a million dollars you have, not with intent to hurt but just to stop a guy from advancing down the boards. Maybe im a dirty POS too because I do that every single game.

Theres the answer right there.

EDIT: The only thing I have a problem with is how high he brought his leg.. his knee was at the level of Karlssons lower back. It should never be that high.
- jak521

That I agree with.

That I agree with.
- nbartley9

Well karlsson is such a hulking figure he needed all the leverage he can get. I'm sure it's all just a big misunderstanding

I would bet a million dollars you have, not with intent to hurt but just to stop a guy from advancing down the boards. Maybe im a dirty POS too because I do that every single game.
- nbartley9

Well, I've never done it at all ever, so it's a tied vote.


Ignore the fact I've been playing for under a year

I really think it could go either way. Maybe he intended to do it (Karlsson thinks so, it seems), maybe he lost his balance or whatever the explanation is. I don't think there was enough there to give a suspension. But I won't give the complete benefit of the doubt to a guy who already ended one player's career just because his penalty minutes went down.
- BulliesPhan87

Just watching the way they both made body contact, his leg raising after that, and then hitting the boards... i cant imagine a guy being able in literally 1 seconds being able to do all of that and then step on a guy (with out looking at where he was stepping) on purpose. If it was a different person I dont even think its talked about. If it were Coburn or Timonen people wouldnt bat an eye. Players lift their legs and trap every game.