Sure, but what's stopping them now? They can recall Eric Wellwood, Rob Bordson or give another kid, like Jason Akeson, Ryan Flanagan or Mitch Wahl a look.
- Jsaquella

Thats also another option. The more I look at it I dont want Jokinen.

I think the thing that is stopping them right now is waiting to see what happens in the next few games before making some moves.

If it was only that simple.

I agree.
- stveshdy

That's the problem. Easier said then done for this team apparently.

Solid argument.

I'm all for whatever system gets us wins. And it's my opinion this team is under-performing across the board. However, I would argue our problems are driven primarily by an anemic offense more than a poor defensive system.
- wolfhounds

poop, I missed this...sorry.

I think that there are issues that stem from under performing players. But there's also a lot of issues that stem from the defensive issues, too. A failed clearing or neutral zone turnover, even if it doesn't end up in a goal against means that you're not possessing the puck.

Also, when the opposing team has possession and keeps you hemmed into your own end, you're not going to score a whole lot, plus you're burning a lot of energy running around in your own end.

A lot of those things do happen because of the style/scheme they play, as well as player error.

That's the problem. Easier said then done for this team apparently.
- MJL

Went to my nephews (4 yr old) ice hockey game and I seen better defense.

Thats also another option. The more I look at it I dont want Jokinen.

I think the thing that is stopping them right now is waiting to see what happens in the next few games before making some moves.
- stveshdy

I actually think jokinen would be a nice fit here but honestly 3 mil at this point makes no sense....we need to forget about this year and look to the future and that isnt a move for the future

Went to my nephews (4 yr old) ice hockey game and I seen better defense.
- stveshdy

doubtful

I actually think jokinen would be a nice fit here but honestly 3 mil at this point makes no sense....we need to forget about this year and look to the future and that isnt a move for the future
- nonpoint22

If they were in 6th place, I'd be a lot more interested.

I actually think jokinen would be a nice fit here but honestly 3 mil at this point makes no sense....we need to forget about this year and look to the future and that isnt a move for the future
- nonpoint22

I'd have no issue with claiming Jokinen and then using Simmonds as trade bait.

doubtful
- Crimsoninja

You be surprised how these kids play. There were some studs out there. The age group was 4-6 years old. The head coaches son got drafted by Calgary (last year). He was screaming at these kids like they were pro's (to motivate). It was funny! Great for the kids also.

If they were in 6th place, I'd be a lot more interested.
- Jsaquella

my point exactly

I'd have no issue with claiming Jokinen and then using Simmonds as trade bait.
- bradleyc4

Only if Simmer lands us defense help and i am not sure he will

I actually think jokinen would be a nice fit here but honestly 3 mil at this point makes no sense....we need to forget about this year and look to the future and that isnt a move for the future
- nonpoint22

Understandable. I would rather work on getting blueline help first myself.

The lack of offense at times is due to the poor team play and team defense. Play better in all 3 zones, and play better defensively. And they'll score more goals.
- MJL

Perhaps. I don't deny that argument can be made.

I was looking at the Flyers stats to date and there are some interesting points to think about...

Flyers are right in the middle (#16) in shots on goal, are #7 in PP%, #6 in PP minutes, #3 in PP goals, yet we are in the bottom half (#18) in goals per game.

Flyers PP Goals = 28. Total Goals = 81. 34.5% of all goals are PP goals. (We're tied with the Caps at #1 for most 5 on 4 goals at 26)

16 of 81 goals - 20% - are from our D, Sestito, Rinaldo, and Knuble combined. Jake accounts for 16% of all goals. 14 goals - 17% - came in two games (7-1 v Florida, 7-0 v Isles).

Outside of the PP, we are not getting a lot of production from our forwards. Perhaps that is one of the reasons the D is pinching, to help a struggling offense. You could argue that's a poor decision, a bad counter. But it could also be argued you have to score to win.

In short, for such an apparently "aggressive" system, our offense doesn't have much to show for it. And for such a poor defensive scheme involving Gervais, Foster, Gus and no backup goalie, things could be a lot worse.

We are #8 in shots against, #7 in PK%, but we average 3 goals against per game (#23, with Florida being #30).

We have given up 93 total goals through 31 games, 19 while killing a penalty (20.4%), 6 empty net goals (6.4%; only Florida has given up more at 8), 2 penalty shots, 2 short-handed, and 5 playing 4v4.

All that being said, the best teams in the league get it done 5v5.

The Flyers have 59 goals against (3 worse than Pitt) at 5v5, and that puts us at #18 in the league. That could be better, no doubt about it. But the best team, Montreal, has given up 45 goals 5v5.

On the other hand, the Flyers have 47 goals for at 5v5, tied with NJ for 3rd worst in the league. The best team, Pitt, has 76 5v5 goals. That, to me, is a bigger problem with us supposedly being potent and geared toward offense.

And as good as our PK is, we are the worst team in the league (along with Buffalo) in taking penalties.

Only if Simmer lands us defense help and i am not sure he will
- nonpoint22

I think he would. If they were made available, Simmonds, Read & Voracek would have good value.

Whoever the Flyers bring in on offense, I want that player to be good defensively to begin with.

I also want that player to be strong along the boards and in puck battles consistently.

Flyers lack a lot of this imo.

Perhaps. I don't deny that argument can be made.

I was looking at the Flyers stats to date and there are some interesting points to think about...

Flyers are right in the middle (#16) in shots on goal, are #7 in PP%, #6 in PP minutes, #3 in PP goals, yet we are in the bottom half (#18) in goals per game.

Flyers PP Goals = 28. Total Goals = 81. 34.5% of all goals are PP goals. (We're tied with the Caps at #1 for most 5 on 4 goals at 26)

16 of 81 goals - 20% - are from our D, Sestito, Rinaldo, and Knuble combined. Jake accounts for 16% of all goals. 14 goals - 17% - came in two games (7-1 v Florida, 7-0 v Isles).

Outside of the PP, we are not getting a lot of production from our forwards. Perhaps that is one of the reasons the D is pinching, to help a struggling offense. You could argue that's a poor decision, a bad counter. But it could also be argued you have to score to win.

In short, for such an apparently "aggressive" system, our offense doesn't have much to show for it. And for such a poor defensive scheme involving Gervais, Foster, Gus and no backup goalie, things could be a lot worse.

We are #8 in shots against, #7 in PK%, but we average 3 goals against per game (#23, with Florida being #30).

We have given up 93 total goals through 31 games, 19 while killing a penalty (20.4%), 6 empty net goals (6.4%; only Florida has given up more at 8), 2 penalty shots, 2 short-handed, and 5 playing 4v4.

All that being said, the best teams in the league get it done 5v5.

The Flyers have 59 goals against (3 worse than Pitt) at 5v5, and that puts us at #18 in the league. That could be better, no doubt about it. But the best team, Montreal, has given up 45 goals 5v5.

On the other hand, the Flyers have 47 goals for at 5v5, tied with NJ for 3rd worst in the league. The best team, Pitt, has 76 5v5 goals. That, to me, is a bigger problem with us supposedly being potent and geared toward offense.

And as good as our PK is, we are the worst team in the league (along with Buffalo) in taking penalties.
- wolfhounds

Nice post.

My only thing is you need defenseman who can move the puck and create. The Flyers seem to get pinned in deep a lot 5 on 5.

Perhaps. I don't deny that argument can be made.

I was looking at the Flyers stats to date and there are some interesting points to think about...

Flyers are right in the middle (#16) in shots on goal, are #7 in PP%, #6 in PP minutes, #3 in PP goals, yet we are in the bottom half (#18) in goals per game.

Flyers PP Goals = 28. Total Goals = 81. 34.5% of all goals are PP goals. (We're tied with the Caps at #1 for most 5 on 4 goals at 26)

16 of 81 goals - 20% - are from our D, Sestito, Rinaldo, and Knuble combined. Jake accounts for 16% of all goals. 14 goals - 17% - came in two games (7-1 v Florida, 7-0 v Isles).

Outside of the PP, we are not getting a lot of production from our forwards. Perhaps that is one of the reasons the D is pinching, to help a struggling offense. You could argue that's a poor decision, a bad counter. But it could also be argued you have to score to win.

In short, for such an apparently "aggressive" system, our offense doesn't have much to show for it. And for such a poor defensive scheme involving Gervais, Foster, Gus and no backup goalie, things could be a lot worse.

We are #8 in shots against, #7 in PK%, but we average 3 goals against per game (#23, with Florida being #30).

We have given up 93 total goals through 31 games, 19 while killing a penalty (20.4%), 6 empty net goals (6.4%; only Florida has given up more at 8), 2 penalty shots, 2 short-handed, and 5 playing 4v4.

All that being said, the best teams in the league get it done 5v5.

The Flyers have 59 goals against (3 worse than Pitt) at 5v5, and that puts us at #18 in the league. That could be better, no doubt about it. But the best team, Montreal, has given up 45 goals 5v5.

On the other hand, the Flyers have 47 goals for at 5v5, tied with NJ for 3rd worst in the league. The best team, Pitt, has 76 5v5 goals. That, to me, is a bigger problem with us supposedly being potent and geared toward offense.

And as good as our PK is, we are the worst team in the league (along with Buffalo) in taking penalties.
- wolfhounds

Good post. I think one of the biggest issues I currently have with this team is the sheer stupidity I see on the ice. Even when they have the puck in the offensive zone, how many times do they make completely idiotic passes? Its frustrating for sure.

I think he would. If they were made available, Simmonds, Read & Voracek would have good value.
- Jsaquella

Does anyone really think Homer will do anything by April 3rd....I really think if anythng were going to happen it would be in the off season most notably the draft which i believe is here

Probably Buffalo.
- jmatchett

Even the buffalo game you can make the argument that the play was pretty even. I think the Washington game might be the last game they the flyers definitively outplayed the other side.


That's sad

Btw jussi jokine no thanks we don't want him.

Nice post.

My only thing is you need defenseman who can move the puck and create. The Flyers seem to get pinned in deep a lot 5 on 5.
- stveshdy

If the forwards were more mindful of the gap issues, and gave the defense more options or at least, more high percentage options, it would cut down on a lot of the neutral zone turnovers, and also, I've seen that quite often the defenseman will have to skate to the red line, and all 3 forwards are standing at the blue line and covered.

The defenseman then usually has to fire it deep and give up possession. That kind of crap happens a lot.

Perhaps. I don't deny that argument can be made.

I was looking at the Flyers stats to date and there are some interesting points to think about...

Flyers are right in the middle (#16) in shots on goal, are #7 in PP%, #6 in PP minutes, #3 in PP goals, yet we are in the bottom half (#18) in goals per game.

Flyers PP Goals = 28. Total Goals = 81. 34.5% of all goals are PP goals. (We're tied with the Caps at #1 for most 5 on 4 goals at 26)

16 of 81 goals - 20% - are from our D, Sestito, Rinaldo, and Knuble combined. Jake accounts for 16% of all goals. 14 goals - 17% - came in two games (7-1 v Florida, 7-0 v Isles).

Outside of the PP, we are not getting a lot of production from our forwards. Perhaps that is one of the reasons the D is pinching, to help a struggling offense. You could argue that's a poor decision, a bad counter. But it could also be argued you have to score to win.

In short, for such an apparently "aggressive" system, our offense doesn't have much to show for it. And for such a poor defensive scheme involving Gervais, Foster, Gus and no backup goalie, things could be a lot worse.

We are #8 in shots against, #7 in PK%, but we average 3 goals against per game (#23, with Florida being #30).

We have given up 93 total goals through 31 games, 19 while killing a penalty (20.4%), 6 empty net goals (6.4%; only Florida has given up more at 8), 2 penalty shots, 2 short-handed, and 5 playing 4v4.

All that being said, the best teams in the league get it done 5v5.

The Flyers have 59 goals against (3 worse than Pitt) at 5v5, and that puts us at #18 in the league. That could be better, no doubt about it. But the best team, Montreal, has given up 45 goals 5v5.

On the other hand, the Flyers have 47 goals for at 5v5, tied with NJ for 3rd worst in the league. The best team, Pitt, has 76 5v5 goals. That, to me, is a bigger problem with us supposedly being potent and geared toward offense.

And as good as our PK is, we are the worst team in the league (along with Buffalo) in taking penalties.
- wolfhounds

The Flyers could be the best offensive team in the League. The defense would still pinch. It's part of the system of a 3-2 press forecheck, and isn't in response to a lack of scoring. It's how they play
In my opinion it's not enough to just look at the numbers for 5 on 5 play, and just say it's a lack of scoring. I like to look deeper and see why they have trouble scoring goals at 5 on 5 play.

Does anyone really think Homer will do anything by April 3rd....I really think if anythng were going to happen it would be in the off season most notably the draft which i believe is here
- nonpoint22

If they go 2-2 or worse over the next 4 games, we'll see some selling at the TDL.

Whoever the Flyers bring in on offense, I want that player to be good defensively to begin with.

I also want that player to be strong along the boards and in puck battles consistently.

Flyers lack a lot of this imo.
- flyer_nutter

Also a lot of times the puck is dug out and given to one of grossman, schenn, or coburn and the offense stalls. Let's switch the d mix up

Good post. I think one of the biggest issues I currently have with this team is the sheer stupidity I see on the ice. Even when they have the puck in the offensive zone, how many times do they make completely idiotic passes? Its frustrating for sure.
- flyer_nutter

i think a lot of that is frustration....many of these guys weren't here during the 2006 season.....actually i think outside of coburn who was dealt for that season...I dont think many can believe this is happening and I think a lot of it is psychological and due to a lack of confidence which is really key in all sports

I'd have no issue with claiming Jokinen and then using Simmonds as trade bait.
- bradleyc4

never hated u more