Yes. People want them to be patient and draft better...AND DO IT RIGHT (frank)ING NOW!!!!!!
- Jsaquella

there you have it

Man trolls got nothing on what we can collectively bring to the table. Any post game stuff out yet. Locker room tweets?

a power forward and the top rated prospect in the NHL at the time ? REALLY?
- mayorofangrytown

Just saying. They fielded offers from several teams. They were not just listening to offers, they were shopping both of them heavily.

Hell, I saw the Carter trade details on twitter a month before it happened, and posted them here.

sorry pal not playing your troll game

your move
- Don'tForgetTocchet

you're the one trolling i'm discussing hockey

Man trolls got nothing on what we can collectively bring to the table. Any post game stuff out yet. Locker room tweets?
- Just5

"we were tired"

Ok I was able to recover my post from page 58, by "viewing source" and pulling it from the HTML code (aren't you all just soooo happy about that :lol ...anyway, here it is (was in response to flyer_nutter implication about getting rid of some players):


I think we need to guard against making conclusions about certain players, particularly the younger talent, while viewing them through the fog of this season's debacle...changes need to be made, for sure, but there are a lot of fully capable players and young developing ones playing well under their abilities... which, to me, is indicative of some sort of systemic malfunction rather than the inability of the players. I think whatever is being taught, being demanded, being practiced, being shouted, is either not working or being tuned out or just not being executed by the players. While it is unfair to lay full blame a the feet of Laviolette, most of these issues fall within responsibility of him and the coaching staff. Lavy might be a good coach and working hard to try and fix things, but whatever he and the team are doing together, it's just not working, anymore.



This season presented a lot of challenges early on with the player turnover, the injuries, the brutal schedule, and the young players growing pains...in ways it was a perfect $hite storm. I can understand how the players could lose confidence in their coaches and also themselves in such a situation, resulting in a snowball effect and downward spiral. I think we need to pull back and take a look at the needs of the team from a macro perspective...I think they could use an offensive defenseman who can skate the puck on the rush and run a PP, and at some point not to far off, another, ideally #1 type, when Timonen is gone. A reasonable trade for Yandle or Buff... Seth Jones would be a nice gift (please God), but don't you just know that even if the Flyers come in last, they'll fall within that 75% chance that they don't get the first pick...but they would at least get an elite prospect.



As far as Lavy...well, I think he's a good guy and a decent coach but I am beginning to think his message has become worn... his firey exhortations, which used to light a fire under the team's a$$ when they needed it, are now seemingly tuned out by the team. Really, how many times can you kick a soda machine or drop an F bomb laden tirade and have it work before it just doesn't do it any more. The team doesn't seem to be buyin what he's selling anymore...so it may be just that time, for new blood...it's almost not fair to him, but even if one doesn't see the blame laying with the coaches, it's tough to see an easier and more effective way to change the whole team's mentality and attitude than making a coaching change. Almost like when a team comes out playing like crap and gives up 3 or 4 goals in the first period of a game...the goalie may not be playing that bad, but he gets pulled anyway as a way of trying to send a message and reset the team's mindset. The Flyers need that reset. I honestly believe that with that change and maybe two or three select roster changes, will come the opportunity to return to the playoff contention next season and beyond. Unless a nice reasonable trade for a top offensive defenseman comes along before the deadline (not likely), I advocate waiting until the draft to make the moves, if any, that they want to make.

sorry pal not playing your troll game

your move
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Loving your posts tonight.

Former Philadelphia assistant coach Wayne Fleming has passed away, per NHL Network just now.

you're the one trolling i'm discussing hockey
- 2Real

now see i feel like we know each other well enough at this point to not do this stupid crap, but i'm often incorrect

don't overreact, we are responding to a very black and white question on whom is perceived as untouchable


i personally would keep, if i were in charge, giroux hartnell jake read gagne meszaros schenns x 2, grossmann simmonds timonen bryz rinaldo talbot
- Don'tForgetTocchet

And Couts.

Former Philadelphia assistant coach Wayne Fleming has passed away, per NHL Network just now.


- Flyskippy

they were talking about it earlier, sad news

Yes. People want them to be patient and draft better...AND DO IT RIGHT (frank)ING NOW!!!!!!
- Jsaquella

Wilson echo said it best earlier when he referred to it as a merry go round. Look I was happy to see Richards and carter go, hell I still think we got the better of the deals but I can't help but realize my ecstasy was misguided. Now the case can still be made that their contracts needed to be moved, that's fine but all these young players have frugal deals yet. It's time to dig in and weather the storm. Fix the blue line and get a coach who preaches fundamental play in all three zones. We were building an identity under Hitchcock it continued under Stevens and now 180. Should have just kept Hitchcock for (frank)s sake.

This town, the media and the people who run this team especially have the other woman syndrome so bad I swear they'd leave a maxim model for a train wreck.

now see i feel like we know each other well enough at this point to not do this stupid crap, but i'm often incorrect
- Don'tForgetTocchet

i providing solutions to the problem rolling with the same people and expecting new things is insanity

And Couts.
- wolfhounds

obvi oversight on my part since i included him in my top 3- lol, i knew i was missing someone

i providing solutions to the problem rolling with the same people and expecting new things is insanity
- 2Real

good job, keep it up

and where are they now? what does this team look like going forward? to me, it's SOS...trying to win last yrs cup, impetuous moves, shaky cap mgmt, etc. yes, there have been very good decisions, but clearly an inability to stick w/ a plan and a wretched off season. homer goes and the new guy takes the job on the condition that ed butts out.
- isaiah520

Meh. I'll trust Homer running this team moving forward and hope he stays - with less interference from above.

- eayost

not blaming that one on Bryz..

oh wait.

they were talking about it earlier, sad news
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Ah. I must have been on the road still.

i providing solutions to the problem rolling with the same people and expecting new things is insanity
- 2Real

So what changes are you looking to see this offseason?

offense sells tickets defense wins championships think about it !

Wilson echo said it best earlier when he referred to it as a merry go round. Look I was happy to see Richards and carter go, hell I still think we got the better of the deals but I can't help but realize my ecstasy was misguided. Now the case can still be made that their contracts needed to be moved, that's fine but all these young players have frugal deals yet. It's time to dig in and weather the storm. Fix the blue line and get a coach who preaches fundamental play in all three zones. We were building an identity under Hitchcock it continued under Stevens and now 180. Should have just kept Hitchcock for (frank)s sake.

This town, the media and the people who run this team especially have the other woman syndrome so bad I swear they'd leave a maxim model for a train wreck.
- JoeRussomanno

That's what I wanted, but I thought maybe I was just dumb.

Maybe I am

Ok I was able to recover my post from page 58, by "viewing source" and pulling it from the HTML code (aren't you all just soooo happy about that :lol ...anyway, here it is (was in response to flyer_nutter implication about getting rid of some players):


I think we need to guard against making conclusions about certain players, particularly the younger talent, while viewing them through the fog of this season's debacle...changes need to be made, for sure, but there are a lot of fully capable players and young developing ones playing well under their abilities... which, to me, is indicative of some sort of systemic malfunction rather than the inability of the players. I think whatever is being taught, being demanded, being practiced, being shouted, is either not working or being tuned out or just not being executed by the players. While it is unfair to lay full blame a the feet of Laviolette, most of these issues fall within responsibility of him and the coaching staff. Lavy might be a good coach and working hard to try and fix things, but whatever he and the team are doing together, it's just not working, anymore.



This season presented a lot of challenges early on with the player turnover, the injuries, the brutal schedule, and the young players growing pains...in ways it was a perfect $hite storm. I can understand how the players could lose confidence in their coaches and also themselves in such a situation, resulting in a snowball effect and downward spiral. I think we need to pull back and take a look at the needs of the team from a macro perspective...I think they could use an offensive defenseman who can skate the puck on the rush and run a PP, and at some point not to far off, another, ideally #1 type, when Timonen is gone. A reasonable trade for Yandle or Buff... Seth Jones would be a nice gift (please God), but don't you just know that even if the Flyers come in last, they'll fall within that 75% chance that they don't get the first pick...but they would at least get an elite prospect.



As far as Lavy...well, I think he's a good guy and a decent coach but I am beginning to think his message has become worn... his firey exhortations, which used to light a fire under the team's a$$ when they needed it, are now seemingly tuned out by the team. Really, how many times can you kick a soda machine or drop an F bomb laden tirade and have it work before it just doesn't do it any more. The team doesn't seem to be buyin what he's selling anymore...so it may be just that time, for new blood...it's almost not fair to him, but even if one doesn't see the blame laying with the coaches, it's tough to see an easier and more effective way to change the whole team's mentality and attitude than making a coaching change. Almost like when a team comes out playing like crap and gives up 3 or 4 goals in the first period of a game...the goalie may not be playing that bad, but he gets pulled anyway as a way of trying to send a message and reset the team's mindset. The Flyers need that reset. I honestly believe that with that change and maybe two or three select roster changes, will come the opportunity to return to the playoff contention next season and beyond. Unless a nice reasonable trade for a top offensive defenseman comes along before the deadline (not likely), I advocate waiting until the draft to make the moves, if any, that they want to make.

- exlund

i'll be honest here and tell you this giant post rolls over me like the tank in your ava

So what changes are you looking to see this offseason?
- stveshdy

I know this question was not to me but I want them to focus on 2 things.

1. Obtaining a 1 or 2 dman since they need both
2. Keeping whatever top 3 pick they end up .

So what changes are you looking to see this offseason?
- stveshdy

the changes must be made before the season is over gotta get rid of the vets on their way out like briere and timonen use those picks to draft players we can fill up the system with move someone like read for a young dman