I would have too. I bet you dimes to dollars, Homer called the Habs about his availability earlier on. I don't think Bergevin was fielding any offers at all. He's a franchise type dman.
- Hextall271

I was being sarcastic. Subban worth Giroux now.

Actually, i would do Cout + Simmonds.

That's not the only reason. As someone already said, look at Lehtonen's save percentage in Dallas.
- Feanor

Lehtonen's a solid tender.. i always lobbied for us to get him. I haven't watched enough of their games to comment, (maybe they play better team d) but I do know that Bryz isn't the reason we are lsoing this year. He's been fine, and saved our bacon many times. With a better d corps and better team D, we would be winning games and no one would be complaining. It's always too easy to blame the tender. That's what the media from other cities does. Goring started last night's broadcast with this comment.,.. "the injuries and Shoddy goaltending are finally catching up to the Flyers".. that's the generic comment used by people too lazy to watch and delve into the real problems.

Would you mind rephrasing that response because I have no idea what the heck you just said?

If you are talking about Ghost and think he's not going to be top 4. I'm not going to argue with you one way or the other but put it in some sort of coherent thought.
- Flyers_01

It's a very coherent thought. You took a statement made by another poster, and used it as an indictment on the Organization. When the statement made by that poster isn't close to being a fact. And it's just another example of hyperbole.

Also don't believe Bryz is the issue...granted his ONLY job is to stop pucks...however there are 5 other dudes on the ice before the opposing team gets to him...yea he (Bryz) has let up some "easy" goals, but for the most part he has been pretty good...

However, what do you do with his huge contract / years on it. Let's assume for a second he ends up like he did last year...which he WASN'T good...and starts playing like that again...what do you do? Do you take that chance? Or go after Ryan Miller in the off season...Sabers are about as bad as the Flyers and really see no future in that team. Miller wants out...He is 32, and for a goalie...that is a good age...sign him to a three year deal...bring up Munroe or Heeter who are have a so so year as a back up...

Again I like Bryz...the this year Bryz, not last year...do we take the risk? I understand we can buy him out next year if things don't look good, but risk losing the chance of not going for Miller...just asking!
- Flyers24

Miller isn't a free agent till after next season

You do realize that this is the product of a horrible d corps don't you?

The way I look at it is that the goalie is the most important cog in the wheel that is team D. He's not the entire wheel as some think. If the team is sound defensively where the forwards and D have the ability and are committed to executing the plan, then the goalie's stats will look great, even if he is not that great. Bryz has done his job, but the team has failed him. I don't say he's is elite, but you could have Lundqvist in net here, and we'd still be losing the same way.
- Hextall271

Columbus has a great defence? Look at Bobrovsky.
Florida? Look at Markstrom?
Ottawa? Look at the three goalies. etc.
Bryz is not good enough to take the Flyers where they want to go.
I am not advocating a buyout and spending Mr. Snider's money, but they probably need a reliable backup and treat Bryz as an average player playing about half the games.

Bryzgalov has been a complete bust imo. He was suppose to be the guy and the Flyers moved two of there younger franchise players to do so. He has been inconsistant and far from being a top tier goalie (which he was paid to do).

We can blame systems, players and the universe but it comes down to stopping pucks and he hasn't done enough imo.

I won't always put it all on the goalie but there are other goalies producing with less talent in front of them.
- stveshdy

Degree of talent has nothing to do with it. It's how that talent has played. There are teams with far less talent on it, that play a far better team game then the Flyers do. Calling Bryzgalov a bust is shortsighted in my opinion.

Columbus has a great defence? Look at Bobrovsky.
Florida? Look at Markstrom?
Ottawa? Look at the three goalies. etc.
Bryz is not good enough to take the Flyers where they want to go.
I am not advocating a buyout and spending Mr. Snider's money, but they probably need a reliable backup and treat Bryz as an average player playing about half the games.
- strongsupporter

I don't advocate a buy out either but it may come to pass simply because of the length of his contract. I think briere gets the axe this summer.

I'd be concerned if any of that was actually true. Since it's not, I'm not concerned.
- MJL

Yup, it's all false. No injury concerns with anyone. Meszaros, Briere, Grossmann all chiseled from iron.
Bryzgalov is the clearcut answer in goal with his sub .900 save %, and the prospect pool is stacked with studs.

28th out of 30 teams while spending the most money in the NHL.
Keep defending it. I find it amusing.

Would you mind rephrasing that response because I have no idea what the heck you just said?

If you are talking about Ghost and think he's not going to be top 4. I'm not going to argue with you one way or the other but put it in some sort of coherent thought.
- Flyers_01

That guy loves to agrue about everything regardless of the subject.

Degree of talent has nothing to do with it. It's how that talent has played. There are teams with far less talent on it, that play a far better team game then the Flyers do. Calling Bryzgalov a bust is shortsighted in my opinion.
- MJL

You dont have to agree with it but I believe when you make that signing and move two key players (franchise types) and the guy is putting up middle of the road numbers hes not living up to expectations.

If the Flyers wanted a goalie who puts these numbers up they could of signed someone cheaper for that matter. Thats just my take.

We all keep blaming the defense but he wasnt very good last year and he had a team that was much better all around.

Degree of talent has nothing to do with it. It's how that talent has played. There are teams with far less talent on it, that play a far better team game then the Flyers do. Calling Bryzgalov a bust is shortsighted in my opinion.
- MJL

He has not played up to his contract. Most often you are measured against what it is you are paid, fair or unfair.

Bryzgalov has been a complete bust imo. He was suppose to be the guy and the Flyers moved two of there younger franchise players to do so. He has been inconsistant and far from being a top tier goalie (which he was paid to do).

We can blame systems, players and the universe but it comes down to stopping pucks and he hasn't done enough imo.

I won't always put it all on the goalie but there are other goalies producing with less talent in front of them.
- stveshdy

A complete bust? That's far overstating it, in my opinion. The Flyers moved their franchise players for four young players, not just to clear room. You can make an argument that he's not worth his contract, I would more or less agree, and you could make the case that other goalies (who may be younger and with whom we blew our chance due to impatience) are doing more with less. But 'complete bust' is way off base, imo.

That says alot doesn't it about the depth of the Flyers blueline and farm system. Years of going for it all have left the Flyers farm system, at least for the near future, very barren. I defy you to find one person who is projected to be a top 6 forward or a top 4 defenseman other than maybe Ghost.
- Flyers_01

Didn't we trade for a defensive prospect from the Caps(?) earlier this season? Anyone else remember that ro have more info.

You do realize that this is the product of a horrible d corps don't you?

The way I look at it is that the goalie is the most important cog in the wheel that is team D. He's not the entire wheel as some think. If the team is sound defensively where the forwards and D have the ability and are committed to executing the plan, then the goalie's stats will look great, even if he is not that great. Bryz has done his job, but the team has failed him. I don't say he's is elite, but you could have Lundqvist in net here, and we'd still be losing the same way.
- Hextall271

I understand those completely who'd like to see Breeze jettisoned. I understand those who say his talent does not justify his salary, both the cap hit and the years. And they have a legitimate point.

To say the D is the cause of his sorry stats may be a bit overly forgiving.

It's a very coherent thought. You took a statement made by another poster, and used it as an indictment on the Organization. When the statement made by that poster isn't close to being a fact. And it's just another example of hyperbole.
- MJL

I believe I may be that "poster". I said, "So is he automatically one of the top 4 if he comes here? Starting to look that way. He can't be worse than what they are throwing out there now. " Not sure how you could disagree, or whatever it is you are doing, with this poster about my question/statement. If you feel it is necessary to do so, maybe you could put forth a counterpoint such as, so and so is a top 4 prospect and better. You don't have to reply to every post.

Yup, it's all false. No injury concerns with anyone. Meszaros, Briere, Grossmann, all all chiseled from iron.
Bryzgalov is the clearcut answer in goal with his sub .900 save %, and the prospect pool is stacked with studs.

28th out of 30 teams while spending the most money in the NHL.
Keep defending it. I find it amusing.
- PLindbergh31

Bryzgalov not living up to expectations imo. The coach and team defense continues to get blamed. There are teams with less talent that still are producing better.

Go down the list of goalies and Bryzgalov is by far not impressive at this point. However, its not him its the defense/coach of course.

His 2.83 gaa and .899 save % is all bc they cant play defense.

Lauridsen called up, not Lilja.

Diaz and Mtl 2nd for Grossman.

Diaz woul be great on the powerplay with Timonen. We need size on the backend. That would be fair.
- soad_live

I know nothing about Diaz. So I reserve judgement on this tradde. But you have to spell Grossmann's name right if you truly covet him. I adore watching him play so I hope they rest him for this season and do not send him anywhere...

A complete bust? That's far overstating it, in my opinion. The Flyers moved their franchise players for four young players, not just to clear room. You can make an argument that he's not worth his contract, I would more or less agree, and you could make the case that other goalies (who may be younger and with whom we blew our chance due to impatience) are doing more with less. But 'complete bust' is way off base, imo.
- BulliesPhan87

He hasnt lived up to expectations imo. They gave him a ridiculous contract and now they have the option to buy him out and clean up that mistake. If they do that then the Flyers are admitting it was a mistake. Which imo makes him a bust. They didnt get what was expected of him.

He has not played up to his contract. Most often you are measured against what it is your are paid, fair or unfair.
- ggunky

Whether he is, or ever will be, a dependable presence in net, they still desperately need to bring in a viable #2 to push/spell him. You really can't blame Lavy for choosing to put all his apples in the Bryz basket when he looks down the bench and sees Leighton/Boucher staring back.

Hello Ben Bishop.

So to recap, the goaltending issue still isn't solved, the team has a bunch of overpaid players prone to injury, and the pipeline is a barren wasteland.

Everyone put their shades on, the future is blindingly bright.

- PLindbergh31

Yup, it's all false. No injury concerns with anyone. Meszaros, Briere, Grossmann, all all chiseled from iron.
Bryzgalov is the clearcut answer in goal with his sub .900 save %, and the prospect pool is stacked with studs.

28th out of 30 teams while spending the most money in the NHL.
Keep defending it. I find it amusing.
- PLindbergh31

i think it's fair to say that it's possible to have a view of the situation that falls between the two outlined above

Lauridsen called up, not Lilja.
- bradleyc4

Great idea.. see what this kid can do.

A complete bust? That's far overstating it, in my opinion. The Flyers moved their franchise players for four young players, not just to clear room. You can make an argument that he's not worth his contract, I would more or less agree, and you could make the case that other goalies (who may be younger and with whom we blew our chance due to impatience) are doing more with less. But 'complete bust' is way off base, imo.
- BulliesPhan87

If his salary was similar to, say, Niemi or Halak, I'd agree with you.

But as far as what was expected when he was signed, I'd say he's closer to a disappointment than an welcomed relief.

Yup, it's all false. No injury concerns with anyone. Meszaros, Briere, Grossmann, all all chiseled from iron.
Bryzgalov is the clearcut answer in goal with his sub .900 save %, and the prospect pool is stacked with studs.

28th out of 30 teams while spending the most money in the NHL.
Keep defending it. I find it amusing.
- PLindbergh31

The statement you made is a complete exaggeration made from an incredibly slanted pessimistic viewpoint. The Flyers have one player that is having a chronic injury issue. That is Meszaros. And a poster with a Medical background, posted that it can be fixed. So we'll see about that. The other players have normal injury issues, that as far as I know, aren't career threatening or chronic.
I believe that Bryzgalov is a very good Goalie, and that the SV% is a team number. This is one of the worst teams defenses I've seen in a long time. And that if they sure up that area, then Bryzgalov will be fine. Maybe that's a leap of faith, and is optimistic. But how dare we be optimistic!
And last, this team has Giroux, Schenn(2), Couturier, Simmonds, Laughton, McGinn, Voracek, all under the age of 25. They have an upcoming high draft pick. They have prosepcts such as Cousins and Stolarz who are doing very well. Ghostibhere is highly thought of. But you're right, the young talent pipeline is bare. I didn't realize the picture was so desolate. One bad Season and it's the World is ending.

wonder how many goals the bruins will score tomorrow with our current d situation, if i was lavvvy i would start leighton for sake of keeping bryz in his skin.
- mydoglicks

I agree...