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Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 16 @ 11:42 AM ET
hey should I add another slot for you on there?

Untitled

- dt99999

hey, maybe if we stopped burning all the oil, we'd have some to use for these things in the future!


idiot.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Dec 16 @ 11:53 AM ET
hey, maybe if we stopped burning all the oil, we'd have some to use for these things in the future!


idiot.

- Feeling Glucky?

kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Dec 16 @ 11:53 AM ET
hey should I add another slot for you on there?

Untitled

- dt99999

yawn
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 16 @ 11:56 AM ET
Man, I wish there was some kind of petrol-free alternative to artificial turf and plastic wood.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 16 @ 11:58 AM ET
Oh man, if we don't use oil, we might not be able to buy cheap fake-brand purses anymore.


GUYS!

IS THAT THE KIND OF WORLD WE WANT TO LIVE IN?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 16 @ 12:19 PM ET
imagine a world with no shag rugs?
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Dec 16 @ 12:19 PM ET
imagine a world with no shag rugs?
- Feeling Glucky?

ok d0pps
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Dec 16 @ 12:45 PM ET
in 1888 they had warm weather therefore global warming isn't really happening and there will be a huge blizzard therefore the snow and coldness means that global warming isn't happening


http://www.twincities.com...eeks-preceded-1888-deadly


DETROIT LAKES, Minn. -- Soon the temperatures will be dropping and the snow will fall again. Weather warnings will come across TV screens, radios and cellphones alerts, warning residents to hunker down when the big storms roll in.

But Minnesotans haven't always been so lucky to have this state-of-the-art technology to predict dangerous storms. In 1888, Minnesotans were experiencing a similar bout of unseasonably warm weather, but unlike today, they had no idea what was about to hit them.

It was Jan. 12 that year. Pioneer settlers around Minnesota and the rest of the Great Plains region had been dealing with some harsh, snowy, winter weather. So when they woke up that day to find it was an unseasonably warm, sunny day, it was a welcome treat.

The warm day brought everybody outside; people ventured into town, and housebound kids readily bounded off to school. Their false sense of security left them vulnerable to what was about to happen.

That warm weather drifting over the area from the Gulf Coast that seemed so welcoming turned out to be an aggravating element when it collided with Arctic air pushing down from Canada. For Minnesotans and people throughout North Dakota and Nebraska, Kansas and Iowa, it happened quickly.

"Even in a region known for abrupt and radical meteorological change, the blizzard of 1888 was unprecedented in its violence and suddenness," wrote David Laskin, author of the book "The Children's Blizzard.

"
"One moment is was mild, the sun was shining, a damp wind blew fitfully out of the south -- the next moment frozen hell had broken loose."

It was reported that when the blizzard struck in the early afternoon, temperatures in western Minnesota and eastern North Dakota plummeted from above freezing to roughly minus 40 degrees. Moorhead was recorded at 47 degrees below zero. Flash-frozen droplets of hard flakes were firing from the sky sideways with the 60 mile per hour winds, pelting and surprising people who were out.

SCHOOLCHILDREN FROZEN ON WAY HOME

The blizzard was so heavy that people reported struggling to see in front of their own faces. People reported their eyes freezing shut as snow on the ground whipped around.

School was just letting out when the blizzard struck, so many school children were just walking home -- or trying to. Many children left home that warm morning without mittens or hats. Some lost their way and never made it home. Others were luckier, as teachers in some little schoolhouses made the decision to keep their students there to wait out the storm.

Even that proved challenging, though, as they struggled to keep warm in the frigid temperatures. The roof of one schoolhouse in Nebraska even reportedly blew off in the violent storm. Another Plainfield, Neb., teacher, Loie Royce, tried to lead three children to the safety of her own house less than 90 yards from their school when they became lost. All three children died and Royce's feet became so severely frostbitten they had to be amputated.

Six siblings in Chester Township, north of Fosston, Minn., were on their way home from school when they became stranded in the storm. They were found frozen to death with their arms entwined around each other in the snow. It is why the event was later dubbed "The Schoolhouse Blizzard" or "The Children's Blizzard."

Weather experts say there was almost zero visibility in this storm and very few landmarks in the rural areas, which proved deadly for many people, even as they were steps away from shelter without knowing it. Some froze to death in their own yards, becoming too disoriented to even find their houses.

Alexandria, Minn., man Hanley Countryman was walking home from town with 40 pounds of provisions when he became disoriented and lay in the snow to die just 150 yards from his house.

UNKNOWN DEATH TOLL

Although it is estimated that somewhere around 235 people to 250 people died in the Blizzard of 1888, it is still today unknown exactly how many it was. Some victims were not found until the spring when the snow melted. Others became victims of the storm even after finding shelter, ultimately succumbing to illnesses like pneumonia and infection from amputations. Some estimates put the final death toll upwards of 500 people.

The Detroit Lakes newspaper, then called The Record, was quick to report the information its reporters had. In the Jan. 13, 1888, edition, the top of the front page was prefaced with, "Snow-bound sheets have delayed this issue, and we are in search of the fiend who predicted an open winter."

Reporters then indicated that they had received reports of people losing their lives in the storm, but it appeared too early for details by the time the first issue went to print. Instead, local coverage of the event was mainly focused on the incredible nature of the storm. It says:

"There are old settlers in Minnesota who tell of fierce storms, deep snows, and bitter cold in the early days of this country, but now they acknowledge that those experiences have been completely outdone. The night of January 12th will long be remembered."

It also reported how the storm had delayed or even stranded trains in and out of the area. "Towards evening, a fierce wind swept down from the north, which continued with increased frigidity and fury until midnight, and today all roads are completely blocked. Not a wheel is being turned on the Northern Pacific today. ... Today the weather continues very cold with the snow still drifting, so that any attempt at opening the railroads is almost useless, the snow is drifting back into the cuts as fast as it is taken out."

One week later when The Record came out with its next edition, it did have more details on the deaths throughout Minnesota, although it did not mention any in Becker County. Reporters then wrote about which people were making it into town from rural areas and from Audubon and what reports they had regarding the storm.

Articles also talked about struggles after the storm. The Jan. 20 edition stated: "Many people about here have been anxiously watching their fast-disappearing wood piles and wondering if the time will ever come when it will be possible to haul more from the timber. Between the large amount of snow everywhere and the present flooded condition of the lakes, it has been difficult to get enough wood for ordinary use. No wheat in town for a week. This is something unusual but not surprising, considering circumstances.

"Our school teachers report a very unsatisfactory attendance on the part of their scholars lately owing to the severity of the weather, which makes impossible for many of them to attend school regularly."

Much was learned from the Schoolhouse Blizzard of 1888. The U.S. Weather Service, then called The Signal Corps (which at the time was a newly formed governmental service run by U.S. soldiers), made great advancements after the tragedy. Warnings took a more serious tone, and school administrators were no longer lulled into a false sense of security based on the sky above them.

It was a hard lesson that Mother Nature taught that day -- that warm, welcoming, winter weather in these parts is often times nothing more than the calm before the icy, cold storm
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Dec 16 @ 2:30 PM ET
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Dec 16 @ 2:32 PM ET
in 1888 they had warm weather therefore global warming isn't really happening and there will be a huge blizzard therefore the snow and coldness means that global warming isn't happening


http://www.twincities.com...eeks-preceded-1888-deadly


DETROIT LAKES, Minn. -- Soon the temperatures will be dropping and the snow will fall again. Weather warnings will come across TV screens, radios and cellphones alerts, warning residents to hunker down when the big storms roll in.

But Minnesotans haven't always been so lucky to have this state-of-the-art technology to predict dangerous storms. In 1888, Minnesotans were experiencing a similar bout of unseasonably warm weather, but unlike today, they had no idea what was about to hit them.

It was Jan. 12 that year. Pioneer settlers around Minnesota and the rest of the Great Plains region had been dealing with some harsh, snowy, winter weather. So when they woke up that day to find it was an unseasonably warm, sunny day, it was a welcome treat.

The warm day brought everybody outside; people ventured into town, and housebound kids readily bounded off to school. Their false sense of security left them vulnerable to what was about to happen.

That warm weather drifting over the area from the Gulf Coast that seemed so welcoming turned out to be an aggravating element when it collided with Arctic air pushing down from Canada. For Minnesotans and people throughout North Dakota and Nebraska, Kansas and Iowa, it happened quickly.

"Even in a region known for abrupt and radical meteorological change, the blizzard of 1888 was unprecedented in its violence and suddenness," wrote David Laskin, author of the book "The Children's Blizzard.

"
"One moment is was mild, the sun was shining, a damp wind blew fitfully out of the south -- the next moment frozen hell had broken loose."

It was reported that when the blizzard struck in the early afternoon, temperatures in western Minnesota and eastern North Dakota plummeted from above freezing to roughly minus 40 degrees. Moorhead was recorded at 47 degrees below zero. Flash-frozen droplets of hard flakes were firing from the sky sideways with the 60 mile per hour winds, pelting and surprising people who were out.

SCHOOLCHILDREN FROZEN ON WAY HOME

The blizzard was so heavy that people reported struggling to see in front of their own faces. People reported their eyes freezing shut as snow on the ground whipped around.

School was just letting out when the blizzard struck, so many school children were just walking home -- or trying to. Many children left home that warm morning without mittens or hats. Some lost their way and never made it home. Others were luckier, as teachers in some little schoolhouses made the decision to keep their students there to wait out the storm.

Even that proved challenging, though, as they struggled to keep warm in the frigid temperatures. The roof of one schoolhouse in Nebraska even reportedly blew off in the violent storm. Another Plainfield, Neb., teacher, Loie Royce, tried to lead three children to the safety of her own house less than 90 yards from their school when they became lost. All three children died and Royce's feet became so severely frostbitten they had to be amputated.

Six siblings in Chester Township, north of Fosston, Minn., were on their way home from school when they became stranded in the storm. They were found frozen to death with their arms entwined around each other in the snow. It is why the event was later dubbed "The Schoolhouse Blizzard" or "The Children's Blizzard."

Weather experts say there was almost zero visibility in this storm and very few landmarks in the rural areas, which proved deadly for many people, even as they were steps away from shelter without knowing it. Some froze to death in their own yards, becoming too disoriented to even find their houses.

Alexandria, Minn., man Hanley Countryman was walking home from town with 40 pounds of provisions when he became disoriented and lay in the snow to die just 150 yards from his house.

UNKNOWN DEATH TOLL

Although it is estimated that somewhere around 235 people to 250 people died in the Blizzard of 1888, it is still today unknown exactly how many it was. Some victims were not found until the spring when the snow melted. Others became victims of the storm even after finding shelter, ultimately succumbing to illnesses like pneumonia and infection from amputations. Some estimates put the final death toll upwards of 500 people.

The Detroit Lakes newspaper, then called The Record, was quick to report the information its reporters had. In the Jan. 13, 1888, edition, the top of the front page was prefaced with, "Snow-bound sheets have delayed this issue, and we are in search of the fiend who predicted an open winter."

Reporters then indicated that they had received reports of people losing their lives in the storm, but it appeared too early for details by the time the first issue went to print. Instead, local coverage of the event was mainly focused on the incredible nature of the storm. It says:

"There are old settlers in Minnesota who tell of fierce storms, deep snows, and bitter cold in the early days of this country, but now they acknowledge that those experiences have been completely outdone. The night of January 12th will long be remembered."

It also reported how the storm had delayed or even stranded trains in and out of the area. "Towards evening, a fierce wind swept down from the north, which continued with increased frigidity and fury until midnight, and today all roads are completely blocked. Not a wheel is being turned on the Northern Pacific today. ... Today the weather continues very cold with the snow still drifting, so that any attempt at opening the railroads is almost useless, the snow is drifting back into the cuts as fast as it is taken out."

One week later when The Record came out with its next edition, it did have more details on the deaths throughout Minnesota, although it did not mention any in Becker County. Reporters then wrote about which people were making it into town from rural areas and from Audubon and what reports they had regarding the storm.

Articles also talked about struggles after the storm. The Jan. 20 edition stated: "Many people about here have been anxiously watching their fast-disappearing wood piles and wondering if the time will ever come when it will be possible to haul more from the timber. Between the large amount of snow everywhere and the present flooded condition of the lakes, it has been difficult to get enough wood for ordinary use. No wheat in town for a week. This is something unusual but not surprising, considering circumstances.

"Our school teachers report a very unsatisfactory attendance on the part of their scholars lately owing to the severity of the weather, which makes impossible for many of them to attend school regularly."

Much was learned from the Schoolhouse Blizzard of 1888. The U.S. Weather Service, then called The Signal Corps (which at the time was a newly formed governmental service run by U.S. soldiers), made great advancements after the tragedy. Warnings took a more serious tone, and school administrators were no longer lulled into a false sense of security based on the sky above them.

It was a hard lesson that Mother Nature taught that day -- that warm, welcoming, winter weather in these parts is often times nothing more than the calm before the icy, cold storm

- twiztedmike



dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Dec 16 @ 2:35 PM ET

- watsonnostaw



MMMMM
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Dec 16 @ 2:45 PM ET

- watsonnostaw

aschuter82
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Cypress Creek
Joined: 06.18.2010

Dec 16 @ 3:26 PM ET
Maybe Dopps is actually isn't a skeptic, and this whole shtick is his effort to raise interest in climate change.





Maybe?







P.S.
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Dec 16 @ 4:43 PM ET
http://wattsupwiththat.co...mperature-change-anomaly/

MORE PROOF THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX TO SHIFT DOLLARS FROM OIL TO DEMOCRAT FRIENDS IN THE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SECTOR

SO CORRUPT!!
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Dec 16 @ 5:28 PM ET
Maybe Dopps is actually isn't a skeptic, and this whole shtick is his effort to raise interest in climate change.





Maybe?







P.S.

- aschuter82

"Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards unempirical knowledge or opinions/beliefs stated as facts, or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere."


Dopps is definitely not a skeptic, he ignores empirical knowledge in favour of opinion, and blindly follows just about anything endorsed by conservatives and radical christians.
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Dec 16 @ 5:50 PM ET
"Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards unempirical knowledge or opinions/beliefs stated as facts, or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere."


Dopps is definitely not a skeptic, he ignores empirical knowledge in favour of opinion, and blindly follows just about anything endorsed by conservatives and radical christians.

- Feeling Glucky?

d0pps is a hero
aschuter82
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Cypress Creek
Joined: 06.18.2010

Dec 17 @ 10:27 AM ET
"Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards unempirical knowledge or opinions/beliefs stated as facts, or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere."


Dopps is definitely not a skeptic, he ignores empirical knowledge in favour of opinion, and blindly follows just about anything endorsed by conservatives and radical christians.

- Feeling Glucky?

Ok cool, thanks for the English lesson. I really just wanted to post that sweet Major League picture.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 17 @ 11:17 AM ET
"Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards unempirical knowledge or opinions/beliefs stated as facts, or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere."


Dopps is definitely not a skeptic, he ignores empirical knowledge in favour of opinion, and blindly follows just about anything endorsed by conservatives and radical christians.

- Feeling Glucky?



You still don't get it.

I've maintained, for years now, that Human activity has little or zero measurable affect in Global warming & cooling.

CO2 from human activity has been pointed to by the Hoaxers as the "Main Driver" of Global warming...........even though it makes up only 3.4% of the total of CO2 in the atmosphere. Do you think that the 96.6% that comes from naturally occurring sources has anything to do with global warming, or just the human sources?

To say that the "science is settled" or "the debate is over" are two other hoaxer talking points that low information sheeple take for granted, because the hoaxers don't want people with inquiring minds to look more closely at the real data, and compare it against the made up PC model predictions.


Weather is not climate. There are no studies showing a conclusive link between global warming and increased frequency or intensity of storms, droughts, floods, cold or heat waves.

Natural variation in weather and climate is tremendous. Most of what people call “global warming” is natural, not man-made. The earth is warming, but not quickly, not much, and not lately.

There is tremendous uncertainty as to how the climate really works. Climate models are not yet skillful; predictions are unresolved.

New research shows fluctuations in energy from the sun correlate very strongly with changes in earth’s temperature, better than CO2 levels.

CO2 has very little to do with it. All the decarbonization we can do isn’t going to change the climate much.

There is no such thing as “carbon pollution.” Carbon dioxide is coming out of your nose right now; it is not a poisonous gas. CO2 concentrations in previous eras have been many times higher than they are today.

Sea level will probably continue to rise — not quickly, and not much. Researchers have found no link between CO2 and sea level.

The Arctic experiences natural variation as well, with some years warmer earlier than others. Polar bear numbers are up, not down. They have more to do with hunting permits than CO2.

No one has demonstrated any unnatural damage to reef or marine systems. Additional man-made CO2 will not likely harm oceans, reef systems, or marine life. Fish are mostly threatened by people, who eat them. Reefs are more threatened by sunscreen than by CO2.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and others are pursuing a political agenda and a PR campaign, not scientific inquiry. There’s a tremendous amount of trickery going on under the surface
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Dec 17 @ 11:26 AM ET
glucker,
you don't get it.

lol
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 17 @ 12:02 PM ET
aschuter82
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Cypress Creek
Joined: 06.18.2010

Dec 17 @ 2:28 PM ET
You still don't get it.

I've maintained, for years now, that Human activity has little or zero measurable affect in Global warming & cooling.

CO2 from human activity has been pointed to by the Hoaxers as the "Main Driver" of Global warming...........even though it makes up only 3.4% of the total of CO2 in the atmosphere. Do you think that the 96.6% that comes from naturally occurring sources has anything to do with global warming, or just the human sources?

To say that the "science is settled" or "the debate is over" are two other hoaxer talking points that low information sheeple take for granted, because the hoaxers don't want people with inquiring minds to look more closely at the real data, and compare it against the made up PC model predictions.


Weather is not climate. There are no studies showing a conclusive link between global warming and increased frequency or intensity of storms, droughts, floods, cold or heat waves.

Natural variation in weather and climate is tremendous. Most of what people call “global warming” is natural, not man-made. The earth is warming, but not quickly, not much, and not lately.

There is tremendous uncertainty as to how the climate really works. Climate models are not yet skillful; predictions are unresolved.

New research shows fluctuations in energy from the sun correlate very strongly with changes in earth’s temperature, better than CO2 levels.

CO2 has very little to do with it. All the decarbonization we can do isn’t going to change the climate much.

There is no such thing as “carbon pollution.” Carbon dioxide is coming out of your nose right now; it is not a poisonous gas. CO2 concentrations in previous eras have been many times higher than they are today.

Sea level will probably continue to rise — not quickly, and not much. Researchers have found no link between CO2 and sea level.

The Arctic experiences natural variation as well, with some years warmer earlier than others. Polar bear numbers are up, not down. They have more to do with hunting permits than CO2.

No one has demonstrated any unnatural damage to reef or marine systems. Additional man-made CO2 will not likely harm oceans, reef systems, or marine life. Fish are mostly threatened by people, who eat them. Reefs are more threatened by sunscreen than by CO2.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and others are pursuing a political agenda and a PR campaign, not scientific inquiry. There’s a tremendous amount of trickery going on under the surface

- D0PPELGANGER

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 17 @ 3:47 PM ET
Have you not heard of the very large number of American scientists who reject the hypothesis of "Man Made" Global warming???

They've all signed the Global Warming Petition.

They are convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counter-productively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.

http://www.petitionprojec...g/purpose_of_petition.php

How about the signatories to the The Climate Scientists' Register?

“We, the undersigned, having assessed the relevant scientific evidence, do not find convincing support for the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide are causing, or will in the foreseeable future cause, dangerous global warming."

http://www.climatescience...ntent&view=article&id=289



So, no I'm not alone on this.

Yes most low information people have swallowed the IPCC Kool Aid, not knowing that their actual goal is to transfer wealth (Carbon Tax / Cap and Trade) to third world countries............ claiming it will be used to mitigate "Man Made" global warming ................. but it won't.
aschuter82
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Cypress Creek
Joined: 06.18.2010

Dec 17 @ 4:57 PM ET
Have you not heard of the very large number of American scientists who reject the hypothesis of "Man Made" Global warming???

They've all signed the Global Warming Petition.

They are convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counter-productively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.

http://www.petitionprojec...g/purpose_of_petition.php

How about the signatories to the The Climate Scientists' Register?

“We, the undersigned, having assessed the relevant scientific evidence, do not find convincing support for the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide are causing, or will in the foreseeable future cause, dangerous global warming."

http://www.climatescience...ntent&view=article&id=289



So, no I'm not alone on this.

Yes most low information people have swallowed the IPCC Kool Aid, not knowing that their actual goal is to transfer wealth (Carbon Tax / Cap and Trade) to third world countries............ claiming it will be used to mitigate "Man Made" global warming ................. but it won't.

- D0PPELGANGER

So a bunch of people many of whom have no background in the field of climatology are opposing the consensus of, what, like upwards of 97% of others in the community?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 18 @ 9:36 AM ET
So a bunch of people many of whom have no background in the field of climatology are opposing the consensus of, what, like upwards of 97% of others in the community?
- aschuter82




The "97%" myth has also been dis-proven.


http://wattsupwiththat.co...-busted-by-a-real-survey/


http://www.friendsofscien...nts/97_Consensus_Myth.pdf



http://www.populartechnol...lassifies-scientists.html



http://www.wsj.com/articl...3480304579578462813553136




http://www.forbes.com/sit...percent-consensus-claims/
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Dec 18 @ 1:14 PM ET
Environmentalists who adhere to the theory of human-induced catastrophic global warming are fond of saying that solar energy can soon replace all hydrocarbons in the energy systems of modern economies and that, indeed, this can be accomplished by 2050. This thesis can be tested with reference to the United States, about which there are abundant statistics available.

The U.S. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, in cooperation with the Department of Energy, publishes very accurate data concerning the sources and uses of energy in the United States economy. Oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear reactors produce most of the U.S.’s commercially distributed energy. In 2013, the total energy consumed was 97.4 quadrillion BTUs (thousand trillion British Thermal Units). Of this total, solar energy accounted for less than 0.36% of total production.

The leading solar energy candidate technology to produce significant amounts of power is Concentrated Solar Power with integrated storage. The largest American CSP pant currently built is the Crescent Dune plant in Tonopah Nevada. This plant uses a 540 foot high tower surrounded by 17,500 computer controlled mirrors, each 64 square meters in size, to precisely track the sun and focus the sun’s energy on the solar tower to convert that energy into 1,050 F degree heat to melt sodium nitrate based salts to turn an electro-magnetic generator. The facility takes up 1,600 acres or 6 square kilometers (2.32 square miles) of land. It cost about $1 billion to build and it has a nameplate capacity of 125 MW and a capacity factor of 52%. It can only produce about 485 GWh of power annually at a system cost of U.S. 48.5 cents per kWh (about eight times the cost of a conventional power plant). This plant garnered some unwanted publicity when, during a test of the system, it incinerated 150 birds that happened to fly over during the test.

In order to produce the energy needed to power the United States by 2050 solely from Concentrated Solar Power would take approximately 60,000 plants the size of the Crescent Dune project. Simply to replace the energy that would otherwise be generated by hydrocarbon sources would require almost 47,000 plants the size of the Crescent Dune project.

This breaks down roughly as follows:

20,687 CSP plants to replace current petroleum production & use
15,676 CSP plants to replace current natural gas production & use
10,609 CSP plants to replace current coal production & use
4,874 CSP plants to replace current nuclear fission production & use
2,646 CSP plants to replace current Biomass production & use
1,508 CSP plants to replace current hydroelectric production & use
4,000 CSP plants to allow for rotational shutdown and maintenance on a nationwide base of 56,000 operating plants

Critics of the Crescent Dune plant have observed that, even though located in the Nevada desert, it is still located too far north to make optimal use of the sun’s rays. There is virtually no way that one could find either 47,000 or 60,000 sites in the southern United States that would make sense. If you could place them all together (an impossibility), 47,000 plants would take up 108,000 square miles, almost the entire area of the state of Nevada, and it would cost U.S. $47 trillion. 47,000 plants with 17,500 mirrors each would require the manufacture of 822,500,000 mirrors. If we could manufacture one per second, starting right now, it would take 26 years to build that many mirrors.

This is not going to happen. Not by 2050. Not ever.
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