The goalie situation, it just never stops... It's like the QB situation in Miami since Marino left, and im a fan of both teams

Why can't we just get our Lundqvist already?
- Yosimar89

Honestly, they've never really tried to land a Lundqvist.

They brought in Bryzgalov and expected him to play at an elite level and didn't change the game plan correspondingly.

Yes, Buffalo sucks. But their defense doesn't give the kind of chances away that the Flyers defense has for most of the season. Even if one wanted to use Columbus as an example, they give up a lot of shots, but not as many odd man chances as the Flyers had been prone too.

What is worrisome is that the Flyers have tightened it up, and Bryz has not maintained his early level of play.

It's not that people are insulting your intelligence. But the proposed trade you submitted is really bad, for numerous reasons.

First off, with the cap going down, you propose trading $19mm in contracts to a playoff contender. Not a lot of playoff contenders can handle that kind of cap hit.

Also, what playoff contender is going to trade an all star defenseman for two guys that "could" be solid defensemen? Most playoff contenders want a sure thing on the blue line, not guys that could rebound.

It's a deeply flawed proposal on several levels.
- Jsaquella

Not necessarily a playoff contender, actually thinking about it, it would probably be better for a rebuilder that is quite close to the playoffs. And I would say they might be willing to do that because A) the other aspects of the trade B)Which would you rather have, 1 allstar defencman and an average defenceman, or 2 great defenceman. I'm saying if a team could get them to slide back into their game, they could potentially get better much greater production from the 2 than from the 1

Tampa beating the caps, lets hope it stays like that we need the help (doubt it, unless Bishop stands on his head again).
- Yosimar89

caps are now irrelevant to the flyers, they have the #3 seed and will keep it, 8th is not their goal

Honestly, they've never really tried to land a Lundqvist.

They brought in Bryzgalov and expected him to play at an elite level and didn't change the game plan correspondingly.

Yes, Buffalo sucks. But their defense doesn't give the kind of chances away that the Flyers defense has for most of the season. Even if one wanted to use Columbus as an example, they give up a lot of shots, but not as many odd man chances as the Flyers had been prone too.

What is worrisome is that the Flyers have tightened it up, and Bryz has not maintained his early level of play.
- Jsaquella

That is also what worries me. I missed the Winnipeg game. But the other two games, the Flyers played better defensively, and I expected Bryzgalov to respond and raise his game. He did not do so. I really think that he is mentally fried from playing in the situation he has all year. Flyers have a decision to make here. I'm not in favor of paying Mason 2.5M to be a backup.

I don't think that trade is plausible which is why I said there was little chance of it happening. I think its a little bit absurd that you think these 2 have NO value to other teams, and we might as well scrap them for draft picks. Where would that leave our blue line then? What I'm saying is, instead of trading these 2 for 2 more mediocre defenseman, Homer should bundle their value and try to get 1 good defenseman instead of 2 average ones. I never said that trade would happen, or make sense to happen, I just said the value wasn't that far off, provided the draft pick is right.
- JAKEw1234

Or...he can keep them.

Honestly, they've never really tried to land a Lundqvist.

They brought in Bryzgalov and expected him to play at an elite level and didn't change the game plan correspondingly.

Yes, Buffalo sucks. But their defense doesn't give the kind of chances away that the Flyers defense has for most of the season. Even if one wanted to use Columbus as an example, they give up a lot of shots, but not as many odd man chances as the Flyers had been prone too.

What is worrisome is that the Flyers have tightened it up, and Bryz has not maintained his early level of play.
- Jsaquella

For the second year in a row, his play went South just as the team defense shored up - except March of last year until his injury then.

That is also what worries me. I missed the Winnipeg game. But the other two games, the Flyers played better defensively, and I expected Bryzgalov to respond and raise his game. He did not do so. I really think that he is mentally fried from playing in the situation he has all year. Flyers have a decision to make here. I'm not in favor of paying Mason 2.5M to be a backup.
- MJL

I mean...part of that could be that he played (I'm spitballing here) his 22nd straight game in a 40 days? Certainly could be a factor, anyway....

On the other hand, it certainly couldn't be a factor

Honestly, they've never really tried to land a Lundqvist.

They brought in Bryzgalov and expected him to play at an elite level and didn't change the game plan correspondingly.

Yes, Buffalo sucks. But their defense doesn't give the kind of chances away that the Flyers defense has for most of the season. Even if one wanted to use Columbus as an example, they give up a lot of shots, but not as many odd man chances as the Flyers had been prone too.

What is worrisome is that the Flyers have tightened it up, and Bryz has not maintained his early level of play.
- Jsaquella

It's very hard to get a Lundqvist type goalie because well there simply aren't enough talented guys like that and it's especially hard through a trade, if a team has them they usually wont give him away.

I mean when was the last time a team acquired a stud goalie in or around his prime? The only one i can think of lately, and it wasn't so lately was the Avs getting Roy from the Habs. You basically have to get him through the draft and develop him yourself, obviously luck is involved hoping that the guy can become that great, i mean Henrik was 7th round pick. So if NY had any idea how good he'd be they wouldn't have waited that long to get him.

It's just that this goalie carousel never ends with this team it seems. Crossing my fingers Stolarz continues to develop and maybe he's our future (i also would want Sunshine signed and put into the AHL).

Not necessarily a playoff contender, actually thinking about it, it would probably be better for a rebuilder that is quite close to the playoffs. And I would say they might be willing to do that because A) the other aspects of the trade B)Which would you rather have, 1 allstar defencman and an average defenceman, or 2 great defenceman. I'm saying if a team could get them to slide back into their game, they could potentially get better much greater production from the 2 than from the 1
- JAKEw1234

I'll state this as clearly as I can. 2 defenseman, such as Meszaros and Coburn, even if they completely get their game back. Does not equal the return of an All star caliber defenseman in a trade. Simple as that.
And a rebuilder, is even less likely to make that trade then a playoff contender.

That is also what worries me. I missed the Winnipeg game. But the other two games, the Flyers played better defensively, and I expected Bryzgalov to respond and raise his game. He did not do so. I really think that he is mentally fried from playing in the situation he has all year. Flyers have a decision to make here. I'm not in favor of paying Mason 2.5M to be a backup.
- MJL

Definitely agree here. You can only play the hero... and hold off the enemy at the bridge whilst your compatriots fall faint about you... hoping that reinforcements will arrive... for so long.

Or...he can keep them.
- MBFlyerfan

Say what now?

Not necessarily a playoff contender, actually thinking about it, it would probably be better for a rebuilder that is quite close to the playoffs. And I would say they might be willing to do that because A) the other aspects of the trade B)Which would you rather have, 1 allstar defencman and an average defenceman, or 2 great defenceman. I'm saying if a team could get them to slide back into their game, they could potentially get better much greater production from the 2 than from the 1
- JAKEw1234

Why would a team trade a all star defenseman for two guys who are coming off injuries and/or bad years?

If I have an all star defenseman, I can probably trade him for two or three youngsters who have a ton of potential. Why would I trade him for 28 & 27 year olds who are very solid 2nd pair guys at their best? There's not much more to Coburn and Meszaros than what they are now, if healthy-good, solid 2nd pair guys.

If I was a GM with an all star defenseman, I want Couturier or Schenn. Then you can add Coburn or Meszaros to the trade as a sweetener.

Adding Briere does little to enhance the deal. At this point, post TDL, Briere is a guy you pay another team to take off your hands, so you don't have to burn a compliance buy out on him.

All star defensemen, especiall a young one, is what you get another team to vastly overpay for in the NHL today

who'd be a good back up to mason
- 2Real

Sign one of the older vets on the cheap, Backstrom, Buhlin, Nabby, Thomas, maybe Emery on a one year, sign and bring Joacim "sunshine" Eriksson back into the mix, let Mason and Sunshine battle for the starting job by season's end with the veteran there as a failsafe. If nobody surfaces, use money and larger cap the following year to bring someone new or maybe bring Stolarz into the mix. Not sure of the practicality of all that, but we need to see some new blood...

If you wanna suggest trying to move Coburn AND Read that might, might get you an upgrade on D. I still don't think that gets you true 1 D man you want tho.

Something like Coburn Read and a pick might be a solid offer for Shattenkirk. I could see that offer getting outbid tho.

It's very hard to get a Lundqvist type goalie because well there simply aren't enough talented guys like that and it's especially hard through a trade, if a team has them they usually wont give him away.

I mean when was the last time a team acquired a stud goalie in or around his prime? The only one i can think of lately, and it wasn't so lately was the Avs getting Roy from the Habs. You basically have to get him through the draft and develop him yourself, obviously luck is involved hoping that the guy can become that great, i mean Henrik was 7th round pick. So if NY had any idea how good he'd be they wouldn't have waited that long to get him.

It's just that this goalie carousel never ends with this team it seems. Crossing my fingers Stolarz continues to develop and maybe he's our future (i also would want Sunshine signed and put into the AHL).
- Yosimar89

i'm simply saying the Flyers never really treated goal as a position of priority until the summer of 2011. Then they went out and signed the best goalie in the market to a huge deal.

When you don't make the position a priority, it's not going to get filled.

If you wanna suggest trying to move Coburn AND Read that might, might get you an upgrade on D. I still don't think that gets you true 1 D man you want tho.

Something like Coburn Read and a pick might be a solid offer for Shattenkirk. I could see that offer getting outbid tho.
- hereticpride

I wouldn't trade that for Shattenkirk. I like him, but he's not a legitimate number one defenseman. He's not going to step in and play 24 minutes a night and be a stud.

Definitely agree here. You can only play the hero... and hold off the enemy at the bridge whilst your compatriots fall faint about you... hoping that reinforcements will arrive... for so long.
- Flyskippy

Regardless, we can debate the reasons why until the cows come home. But the bottom line is right now, the results aren't there. And the Flyers need to decide what they're going to do. I'm completely fine with the contract of Brzgalov, if the results are there. If they are, I don't even care about the Cap recapture risk. So the Flyers either have to figure out how to play better in front of him, to see if that changes anything. Or they have to go in another direction.

Regardless, we can debate the reasons why until the cows come home. But the bottom line is right now, the results aren't there. And the Flyers need to decide what they're going to do. I'm completely fine with the contract of Brzgalov, if the results are there. If they are, I don't even care about the Cap recapture risk. So the Flyers either have to figure out how to play better in front of him, to see if that changes anything. Or they have to go in another direction.
- MJL

If his play is matching the commitment made to him, cap recapture is a minor issue. I don't think that is the case with Bryz, though. And I like the dude and think he's a good goalie. But it's time to keep all options open.

Wow. The Florida Panthers are now ahead of the Flyers in team save %. Absolutely pathetic.

I wouldn't trade that for Shattenkirk. I like him, but he's not a legitimate number one defenseman. He's not going to step in and play 24 minutes a night and be a stud.
- Jsaquella

He's on the fence for me. I would take him over Yandle.

He's on the fence for me. I would take him over Yandle.
- hereticpride

I'd prefer Yandle. He's closer to being a number one, IMO.


Also, come July 1st, Yandle might be cheaper, salary wise

Bishop has stopped 82 of the first 85 shots he has seen with TB. Yzerman saw he made a mistake with Lindback, and went out and found a solution to the problem.

I'd prefer Yandle. He's closer to being a number one, IMO.


Also, come July 1st, Yandle might be cheaper, salary wise
- Jsaquella

I'd personally prefer Shattenkirk. I think Yandle may be more dynamic offensively. But Shattenkirk is a better all around player, in my opinion. Shattenkirk has atleast some physical play to his game. And can be used in more situations, such as on the PK.

I'd prefer Yandle. He's closer to being a number one, IMO.


Also, come July 1st, Yandle might be cheaper, salary wise
- Jsaquella

I'd prefer whichever one comes cheaper. It sounds like Yandle's price is way too hefty for my liking. I say Homer pitches the same offer to both teams, see if either bite.

Bishop has stopped 82 of the first 85 shots he has seen with TB. Yzerman saw he made a mistake with Lindback, and went out and found a solution to the problem.
- PLindbergh31

My kids cry less than you do.