Hard to be a proven commodity if hes never been given the chance to be a starter.

He is no different than Schneider, Bernier, Lehner, Halak, etc.
- stveshdy

OK, and that would be relevant how?

Bishop now just gave up another goal.


The "SAVIOR" is human and is not the "SOLUTION" just yet.
- ob18

Soft goal?

If Coburn and Meszaros have little value to the Flyers, how does bundling them with a big contract for an underperforming player(Briere), a stay at home defenseman and picks make them worth an all star defenseman?

Coburn and Meszaros likely have more value to the Flyers if they stay and rebound/stay healthy. Especially Meszaros. He likely has as much trade value as Doug Favell right now-a $4mm cap hit for a guy that can't play more than 6 games without getting hurt? Nobody's trading assets for that.

Coburn's coming off a down year, which will hurt his trade value. If he rebounds, he'll be a very solid and reasonable 2nd pair defenseman. If used in the right role next year, he's likely to rebound.

Briere, likely has little or no value. I could see a team adding him as a TDL addition to add playoff scoring, but not sure they'd be willing to carry him all year when the cap is dropping.

I doubt you'd sniff an all star defenseman for that package, unless it included the Flyers top pick in the upcoming draft.
- Jsaquella

Every year is an off year for Coburn, the only time his game improves is in the playoffs. I say package him for a upgrade on D

Assuming Mason just proves to be totally inadequate in training camp (shall I use the adjective "Leightonesque"), I would assume to truly get a gage on the guy he would need at least a 25-30 game sample. Not writing Bryz is incapable of splitting that kind of time, Emery has pretty much been in that role the last two years.

I like Bryz and want him to succeed, but if I had to guess I think they buy both Briere and Bryz out this year.
- ravishingone

Definitely possible. I do think that if they go that route, Mason will be given a shot to win the job, which is another reason I could see Emery as a time splitter.

Soft goal?
- stveshdy

No idea I went from Oshawa losing to Barrie to Kamloops vs Kelowna

OK, and that would be relevant how?
- Jsaquella

A team that acquired him such as TB is going off what they have seen and his potential. Trading for Bishop is just as much of a gamble then trading for any of those other players.

Not sure why liking Bishop is a bad thing. I'm not sitting here calling him the next Patrick Roy. I just think hes an NHL starting caliber goalie. Just an opinion.

Every year is an off year for Coburn, the only time his game improves is in the playoffs. I say package him for a upgrade on D
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Actually, he was pretty effective in each of the last two seasons. He's too inconsistent to be a number one defenseman or even a top pair guy. But he can be highly effective if he's used as a second pair guy

A team that acquired him such as TB is going off what they have seen and his potential. Trading for Bishop is just as much of a gamble then trading for any of those other players.

Not sure why liking Bishop is a bad thing. I'm not sitting here calling him the next Patrick Roy. I just think hes an NHL starting caliber goalie. Just an opinion.
- stveshdy

If only Yzerman had the hockey acumen of those who post on a message board.

I'm not sure what is going to happen with Bryz being bought out. However, I think it is safe to assume the Flyers want to give Mason the opportunity to be the #1 goalie.

With that being written, I think if Bryz is bought out, Ray Emery is a definite possibility. Obviously, Homer liked him and it was more about him being injured (at the time career threatening) then his play why he wasn't retained. Fast forward to present and Emery is 30, comfortable being in a tandem, but looking for a raise. His cap hit is $1.15 million for this year. It is very possible to sign Emery and Mason for a cap hit of $4.5 million or under.

It should be an interesting summer.
- ravishingone

But Crawford only makes like 2.1 I think. So the blackhawks would do well to resign him. I really like emery and if his hip issue is in the past I would hope flyers have interest

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A team that acquired him such as TB is going off what they have seen and his potential. Trading for Bishop is just as much of a gamble then trading for any of those other players.

Not sure why liking Bishop is a bad thing. I'm not sitting here calling him the next Patrick Roy. I just think hes an NHL starting caliber goalie. Just an opinion.
- stveshdy

Nobody's said liking him is a bad thing. But when people post about his 82 saves on 85 shots, like he's a proven solution and will be the starter for the next decade, it's ridiculous. He's a 26 year old kid, who is playing well over 38 games.

It's not necessarily a bad thing or a good thing. But people seem to be acting as if Bishop is somehow an answer. Like saying Yzerman saw Lindback was a mistake and corrected it.

He saw a weakness and rolled the dice on another young goalie that might or might not fix the problem. I happen to like Bishop, too. But he could easily be a flash in the pan after more teams see what his tendencies are.

Actually, he was pretty effective in each of the last two seasons. He's too inconsistent to be a number one defenseman or even a top pair guy. But he can be highly effective if he's used as a second pair guy
- Jsaquella

He's a very expensive and good #4

If only Yzerman had the hockey acumen of those who post on a message board.
- PLindbergh31

Would you be the pot or the kettle?

You're the one saying that a guy with 38 career games is a sure fix for what ails the Lightning.

How's your acumen.

He's a very expensive and good #4
- Just5

Don't disagree with that at all. He can't be an anchor guy on a pair, he's struggled in that role. But when he has a strong partner, he's played well

Nobody's said liking him is a bad thing. But when people post about his 82 saves on 85 shots, like he's a proven solution and will be the starter for the next decade, it's ridiculous. He's a 26 year old kid, who is playing well over 38 games.

It's not necessarily a bad thing or a good thing. But people seem to be acting as if Bishop is somehow an answer. Like saying Yzerman saw Lindback was a mistake and corrected it.

He saw a weakness and rolled the dice on another young goalie that might or might not fix the problem. I happen to like Bishop, too. But he could easily be a flash in the pan after more teams see what his tendencies are.
- Jsaquella

Thats the risk in any trade. You never know if that player is going to be great or terrible. Theres a 50/50 chance that Bishop is the solution.

Yzerman gave up a nice young player and a pick to attain Bishop so he must think hes pretty good even based on 38 games. Its also possible he thinks Lindback isnt very good.

Don't disagree with that at all. He can't be an anchor guy on a pair, he's struggled in that role. But when he has a strong partner, he's played well
- Jsaquella

We need to groom our own freaking dmen

Thats the risk in any trade. You never know if that player is going to be great or terrible. Theres a 50/50 chance that Bishop is the solution.

Yzerman gave up a nice young player and a pick to attain Bishop so he must think hes pretty good even based on 38 games. Its also possible he thinks Lindback isnt very good.
- stveshdy

All very true. He might also be correct.

I'm not saying he's not correct, either. I'm saying that nobody can say whether he is definitely a long term cure based on his career to this point. I'm not trashing Bishop. I'm trashing people who make proclamations and then rip others for having the temerity to say that 38 games doesn't make a stud player.

When you review Homer's tenure as GM,, certainly he has swung for the fences for top tier guys- Kimmo, Pronger, Weber, and Sutter. However, almost as frequently targeted young d-men, who were going some tough growing pains and used some assets to acquire (not necessarily blockbuster assets). Guys like Coburn, Carle, Mez, and Schenn.

With that in mind, guys like Jake Gardiner, Alec Martinez, and Jamie McBain would be d-men in that mold especially if Coburn and Mez aren't moved in the offseason. Young guys with room to improve and cap hits that aren't cumbersome.

We need to groom our own freaking dmen
- Just5

No doubt. Or make another trade like Coburn.

anyone know a decent stick with a square toe?

been using the Montreal 4500/9500 Euro, but they just aren't available anymore and I am not dropping $125+ for their new model.

All very true. He might also be correct.

I'm not saying he's not correct, either. I'm saying that nobody can say whether he is definitely a long term cure based on his career to this point. I'm not trashing Bishop. I'm trashing people who make proclamations and then rip others for having the temerity to say that 38 games doesn't make a stud player.
- Jsaquella

Understandable. To early to tell. I like the way he has played and TB needed an upgrade in net. Its worth the risk for them. I think Bishop can start in this league if given the opportunity.

The trade could work out for both teams.

Don't disagree with that at all. He can't be an anchor guy on a pair, he's struggled in that role. But when he has a strong partner, he's played well
- Jsaquella

For 4.5 per its way too much. I think the flyers expected more from him

When you review Homer's tenure as GM,, certainly he has swung for the fences for top tier guys- Kimmo, Pronger, Weber, and Sutter. However, almost as frequently targeted young d-men, who were going some tough growing pains and used some assets to acquire (not necessarily blockbuster assets). Guys like Coburn, Carle, Mez, and Schenn.

With that in mind, guys like Jake Gardiner, Alec Martinez, and Jamie McBain would be d-men in that mold especially if Coburn and Mez aren't moved in the offseason. Young guys with room to improve and cap hits that aren't cumbersome.
- ravishingone

Those options seem more realistic bc they arent going to get a number one defenseman in a trade. I just dont see it but I hope i'm wrong.

Understandable. To early to tell. I like the way he has played and TB needed an upgrade in net. Its worth the risk for them. I think Bishop can start in this league if given the opportunity.

The trade could work out for both teams.
- stveshdy

It absolutely could be a great trade for both teams. It could also be a bad deal for one team or the other or even both

Touting a guy's stats after a few games is ridiculous and stupid

We need to groom our own freaking dmen
- Just5

that requires patience. something the team and fanbase seems to be short on for decades