at least all the Philly teams suck together this year...Hamels with an 11 era...sweet
- vejim

Hahah whatever.. My Blue Jays sent our "ace" R A Richard-ey to the mound today... He gave up 5 to the Sox before getting an out.. lost 13-0... 13..

I'm not sure about what is the right amount of games to give Bryzgalov. I really think it depends on how the team in front of him plays. The way this team plays defense as a whole. I think he's played too much in that situation, and he's fried mentally.
- MJL

Time to buy him out this summer?

Time to buy him out this summer?
- Flyskippy

Maybe in 2014, but I can't see it happening this year.

Maybe in 2014, but I can't see it happening this year.
- Hextall271

By October we will have the Masonic Temple built and ready to go.

Maybe in 2014, but I can't see it happening this year.
- Hextall271

doesnt matter, Stolly will be the #1 in a few years

doesnt matter, Stolly will be the #1 in a few years
- vejim

After Mason's won two Cups, Bernie-style!

After Mason's won two Cups, Bernie-style!
- Flyskippy

I like the Mason trade...good job Homer and you know how I feel about Homer but give credit where credit is do

Time to buy him out this summer?
- Flyskippy

Not sure. I lean towards no, but if they're simply going to wait a year for the sake of waiting a year, might as well cut bait, get a stopgap and have him split time with Mason.

If all they're gonna do is pay lip service to keeping Bryz past next season, cut the cord now, see what Mason can do before waiting until next year and making the same mistake.

I'm not sure about what is the right amount of games to give Bryzgalov. I really think it depends on how the team in front of him plays. The way this team plays defense as a whole. I think he's played too much in that situation, and he's fried mentally.
- MJL

I agree 100%.

My 65 games is predicated on the team in front of him playing much better defensively as a whole, and a defense group that is better (and less injured) than we've seen this year.

By October we will have the Masonic Temple built and ready to go.
- Flyskippy

I hope the Flyers shop Coburn hard at the draft and see if they can pickup a late first rounder. I see Huskins making better decisions in the same situations. How can we justify paying Mez 4 mil, Coburn 4.5 mil. When they have clearly struggled when asked to anchor the 2nd pairing. How is this justified?
- Just5

not sure if we ever see Coburn and mezzy play for the flyers again

Time to buy him out this summer?
- Flyskippy

I'm not there yet. And as always, it helps to have a viable alternative.

If those guys are worth so much, why the Hell should the Flyers trade them?

It seems that the only time that guys on the roster have value to people is when it comes time to trade them. Otherwise they suck or are terrible and all the issues will be solved by just trading them away.
- Jsaquella

They're not worth that much as individuals, but together I think they're worth something. What will most likely happen if they are moved to the same team (if they are moved at all, which is unfortunately a slim chance) they will probably find their games where ever they go and be 2 of the best dmen in the league, like what's happened to Bob, JVR, Carter, and a number of others over the past few years. Other teams will see their potential, and their contracts aren't too bad, either. So Mez = little value to us. Coburn = little value to us. Coburn + Mez + Grossmann + Briere + Draft Picks = Certainly ATLEAST an allstar D man, I would guess an all star D man plus a slightly lesser D man. They should talk to the LA Flyers, they've had luck with Flyers players before, and as unlikely as it is that we'd be able to get Doughty, just try imagining him on our blueline for a minute Now imagine (this has about a 0% possibility, btw) Doughty AND Slava Voynov on our blueline . The value isn't TOO far off in my opinion, just because of the greater number of players we are sending there.

They're not worth that much as individuals, but together I think they're worth something. What will most likely happen if they are moved to the same team (if they are moved at all, which is unfortunately a slim chance) they will probably find their games where ever they go and be 2 of the best dmen in the league, like what's happened to Bob, JVR, Carter, and a number of others over the past few years. Other teams will see their potential, and their contracts aren't too bad, either. So Mez = little value to us. Coburn = little value to us. Coburn + Mez + Grossmann + Briere + Draft Picks = Certainly ATLEAST an allstar D man, I would guess an all star D man plus a slightly lesser D man. They should talk to the LA Flyers, they've had luck with Flyers players before, and as unlikely as it is that we'd be able to get Doughty, just try imagining him on our blueline for a minute Now imagine (this has about a 0% possibility, btw) Doughty AND Slava Voynov on our blueline . The value isn't TOO far off in my opinion, just because of the greater number of players we are sending there.
- JAKEw1234

put down the pipe

I don't care if they keep bryz and mason, whats the big deal? if we cut bryz and mason stinks it up, then what?

not sure who mason had to mentor him in Columbus but whats wrong with bryz being a mentor?

even if mason turns it around it could take a year or two to get back to what he was with proper mentoring and coaching.

They're not worth that much as individuals, but together I think they're worth something. What will most likely happen if they are moved to the same team (if they are moved at all, which is unfortunately a slim chance) they will probably find their games where ever they go and be 2 of the best dmen in the league, like what's happened to Bob, JVR, Carter, and a number of others over the past few years. Other teams will see their potential, and their contracts aren't too bad, either. So Mez = little value to us. Coburn = little value to us. Coburn + Mez + Grossmann + Briere + Draft Picks = Certainly ATLEAST an allstar D man, I would guess an all star D man plus a slightly lesser D man. They should talk to the LA Flyers, they've had luck with Flyers players before, and as unlikely as it is that we'd be able to get Doughty, just try imagining him on our blueline for a minute Now imagine (this has about a 0% possibility, btw) Doughty AND Slava Voynov on our blueline . The value isn't TOO far off in my opinion, just because of the greater number of players we are sending there.
- JAKEw1234

Meszaros and Coburn are bona fide NHL defense who are capable of playing at a high level. Having a hard time understanding how they have no value to us. And if they have no value to us, why do they to another team?
So your theory is that is we just simply give a higher quantity of players that have no value to us. Another team will give us one of their top defenseman? There so much that is wrong here, not sure where to even begin.

put down the pipe
- KINGKENZO

Ok, besides for the fact that Doughty isn't on the market, what is THAT unreasonable about that idea?

They're not worth that much as individuals, but together I think they're worth something. What will most likely happen if they are moved to the same team (if they are moved at all, which is unfortunately a slim chance) they will probably find their games where ever they go and be 2 of the best dmen in the league, like what's happened to Bob, JVR, Carter, and a number of others over the past few years. Other teams will see their potential, and their contracts aren't too bad, either. So Mez = little value to us. Coburn = little value to us. Coburn + Mez + Grossmann + Briere + Draft Picks = Certainly ATLEAST an allstar D man, I would guess an all star D man plus a slightly lesser D man. They should talk to the LA Flyers, they've had luck with Flyers players before, and as unlikely as it is that we'd be able to get Doughty, just try imagining him on our blueline for a minute Now imagine (this has about a 0% possibility, btw) Doughty AND Slava Voynov on our blueline . The value isn't TOO far off in my opinion, just because of the greater number of players we are sending there.
- JAKEw1234

You....no....

Please just no.

Meszaros and Coburn are bona fide NHL defense who are capable of playing at a high level. Having a hard time understanding how they have no value to us. And if they have no value to us, why do they to another team?
So your theory is that is we just simply give a higher quantity of players that have no value to us. Another team will give us one of their top defenseman? There so much that is wrong here, not sure where to even begin.
- MJL

Correct, they are proven NHL defenceman. To us, they are injury liabilities, and defensive-zone turnover liabilities. They don't produce enough points to make up for their turn overs. What I'm saying is, teams have noticed the pattern of players that get traded from Philly, to have their games really come together well the next season. So what I mean is, we're trading players that are of very little value to us, but who are of potentially good value to other teams. It's not like they're valueless now. teams can see when Mezaros was the best defenceman on this team (yes, there was a time [remember when he won the Barry Ashbee?]). They can see the tme when Coburn was a 36-point producer. If a team believes they can unlock that player again in either Coburn or Mez, then these guys have good value to that team.

They're not worth that much as individuals, but together I think they're worth something. What will most likely happen if they are moved to the same team (if they are moved at all, which is unfortunately a slim chance) they will probably find their games where ever they go and be 2 of the best dmen in the league, like what's happened to Bob, JVR, Carter, and a number of others over the past few years. Other teams will see their potential, and their contracts aren't too bad, either. So Mez = little value to us. Coburn = little value to us. Coburn + Mez + Grossmann + Briere + Draft Picks = Certainly ATLEAST an allstar D man, I would guess an all star D man plus a slightly lesser D man. They should talk to the LA Flyers, they've had luck with Flyers players before, and as unlikely as it is that we'd be able to get Doughty, just try imagining him on our blueline for a minute Now imagine (this has about a 0% possibility, btw) Doughty AND Slava Voynov on our blueline . The value isn't TOO far off in my opinion, just because of the greater number of players we are sending there.
- JAKEw1234

If Coburn and Meszaros have little value to the Flyers, how does bundling them with a big contract for an underperforming player(Briere), a stay at home defenseman and picks make them worth an all star defenseman?

Coburn and Meszaros likely have more value to the Flyers if they stay and rebound/stay healthy. Especially Meszaros. He likely has as much trade value as Doug Favell right now-a $4mm cap hit for a guy that can't play more than 6 games without getting hurt? Nobody's trading assets for that.

Coburn's coming off a down year, which will hurt his trade value. If he rebounds, he'll be a very solid and reasonable 2nd pair defenseman. If used in the right role next year, he's likely to rebound.

Briere, likely has little or no value. I could see a team adding him as a TDL addition to add playoff scoring, but not sure they'd be willing to carry him all year when the cap is dropping.

I doubt you'd sniff an all star defenseman for that package, unless it included the Flyers top pick in the upcoming draft.

Correct, they are proven NHL defenceman. To us, they are injury liabilities, and defensive-zone turnover liabilities. They don't produce enough points to make up for their turn overs. What I'm saying is, teams have noticed the pattern of players that get traded from Philly, to have their games really come together well the next season. So what I mean is, we're trading players that are of very little value to us, but who are of potentially good value to other teams. It's not like they're valueless now. teams can see when Mezaros was the best defenceman on this team (yes, there was a time
- JAKEw1234[remember when he won the Barry Ashbee?]). They can see the tme when Coburn was a 36-point producer. If a team believes they can unlock that player again in either Coburn or Mez, then these guys have good value to that team.

This is hilarious

Meszaros and Coburn are bona fide NHL defense who are capable of playing at a high level. Having a hard time understanding how they have no value to us. And if they have no value to us, why do they to another team?
So your theory is that is we just simply give a higher quantity of players that have no value to us. Another team will give us one of their top defenseman? There so much that is wrong here, not sure where to even begin.
- MJL

C'mon every team will jump at taking on $19mm in salary and we'll magically get two all star defensemen to fill the holes, while Oliver Lauridsen and Erik Gustafsson play 25 minutes a night

Don;t be a dummy

C'mon every team will jump at taking on $19mm in salary and we'll magically get two all star defensemen to fill the holes, while Oliver Lauridsen and Erik Gustafsson play 25 minutes a night

Don;t be a dummy
- Jsaquella

It's funny when he says "Imagine our blueline with Doughty and Voynov "

At that point, if we play along with his game, Doughty and Voynov will BE our blueline

Correct, they are proven NHL defenceman. To us, they are injury liabilities, and defensive-zone turnover liabilities. They don't produce enough points to make up for their turn overs. What I'm saying is, teams have noticed the pattern of players that get traded from Philly, to have their games really come together well the next season. So what I mean is, we're trading players that are of very little value to us, but who are of potentially good value to other teams. It's not like they're valueless now. teams can see when Mezaros was the best defenceman on this team (yes, there was a time
- JAKEw1234[remember when he won the Barry Ashbee?]). They can see the tme when Coburn was a 36-point producer. If a team believes they can unlock that player again in either Coburn or Mez, then these guys have good value to that team.

But it's not possible that the Flyers can "unlock that player again"? Meszaros definitely has some injury concerns. Coburn is not an injury liability. They are both good defenseman who have value to the Flyers. And stating that they have very little value to the Flyers couldn't be more incorrect. Even your flawed premise that trading them could get them "atleast one All Star" defenseman. Refutes your statement that they have little value to us. If they're an asset that can get a good return in a trade, then they do indeed have value to the Flyers.

Sounds like Eric Wellwood sustained a pretty bad skate cut in the Phantoms game tonight