This guy right here knows his poop
That's also why Anderson likely won't be considered also
- FLYERSROCK!

Because Ottawa's defense is remotely as good as Chicago's?

Anderson=most underrated goalie in the league

Because Ottawa's defense is remotely as good as Chicago's?

Anderson=most underrated goalie in the league
- John Jaeckel

This years Mike Smith.

Not allowed to have an opinion here i guess since i root for Boston teams. Tuukka has better percentages including three shutouts to hanks zero. 1 less win in 6 less games. Less overall saves which is based on the less starts. He has also been a beast in the shootout. Quantity could kill Tuukkas chance.

It could be any of the three. This month will be the Vezina campaign.
- Mahewman

Tuukka also sees 10-15 less shots a game than Hank does.

Interesting way to determin the Vezina. I had fun with a math system using 4 categories. Wins, GAA, SA%, and SO. The four major goalie stats.
Each win and Shutout is 10 points, GAA is based on 100 points (100-(10*GAA)), and SA% out of 100 points (SAA*100).

Here's the top 15.

1. Antti Niemi 391.0
2. Carey Price 389.0
3. Niklas Backstrom 386.9
4. Evgeni Nabokov 374.2
5. Marc-Andre Fleury 369.0
6. Tuukka Rask 363.2
7. Pekka Rinne 358.3
8. Cory Schneider 351.0
9. Jimmy Howard 347.6
10. Corey Crawford 342.1
11. Henrik Lundqvist 342.1
12. Viktor Fasth 340.1
13. Ray Emery 331.8
14. Sergei Bobrovsky 331.5
15. James Reimer 326.7

Interesting way to determin the Vezina. I had fun with a math system using 4 categories. Wins, GAA, SA%, and SO. The four major goalie stats.
Each win and Shutout is 10 points, GAA is based on 100 points (100-(10*GAA)), and SA% out of 100 points (SAA*100).

Here's the top 15.

1. Antti Niemi 391.0
2. Carey Price 389.0
3. Niklas Backstrom 386.9
4. Evgeni Nabokov 374.2
5. Marc-Andre Fleury 369.0
6. Tuukka Rask 363.2
7. Pekka Rinne 358.3
8. Cory Schneider 351.0
9. Jimmy Howard 347.6
10. Corey Crawford 342.1
11. Henrik Lundqvist 342.1
12. Viktor Fasth 340.1
13. Ray Emery 331.8
14. Sergei Bobrovsky 331.5
15. James Reimer 326.7
- l3ig_l2ecl

So Hank is 11 on that list... behind Howard and Nabokov... I think that says everything about your math system.

So Hank is 11 on that list... behind Howard and Nabokov... I think that says everything about your math system.
- aecliptic

yup!! I need to play around with it and make GAA and SA% worth more points lol I'm bored....

Has it already been 18 years since Carey? Wow.

The team might be low on confidence. Him letting that one goal lost all confidence for that teams to go out there and get one. This is why people say it's the "important" saves that matter. You said someone is a "homer" for considering Price. Why because his save% is lower?, or his GAA? If you'd whatch him play you would see that he makes the saves that matter which leads to him having 19 wins and 3 shutouts along with a respectful GAA and SA%. You would also see that because the team is so much on the offence, most goals he let in are on the PP or oddmen rush where he has absolutely no chances.

I think Hank is a superb goalie. Definately top 5, and that the Rags do suck. However he is putting us a slightly above .500, with no shutouts.
- l3ig_l2ecl

I never used the word homer. And I think Price is a very good goalie. But since the definition of the award in no way, shape, or form implies that a team must be good in order for the player to win it, I see no reason why he deserves it. As a Flyers' fan, the Rangers are my 2nd most hated team (behind NJ), but anyone who is placing Price over Lundqvist is just deluding themselves. Price is having a good year.

Also, look at the team goaltending. Budaj is posting almost identical (actually better) stats than Price. On the NYR end, Biron is posting stats much poorer than Lundqvist. Maybe the Canadiens goalies perform well due to a system whereas the Rangers must rely more on Henrik.

Also, the last Canadiens player to win the award was Jose Theodore. The Canadiens finished in 8th place due to 2 more regulation losses than Washington. Had the Canadiens been in the Western Conference, they would have finished 11th. So saying the Rags suck doesn't lend much credence to Henrik not getting the Vezina, as the Rangers are currently in 7th place and would be 9th int he West. Unless you want to assume Theodore didn't deserve the Vezina that year.

Lastly, you say Price gives up goals on hard saves, and that I'd realize this had I watched him. I will ask you to watch the circus known as the Philadelphia Flyers. Watch how many amazing saves Ilya Bryzgalov makes behind the sieve known as the Philadelphia Flyers. He'll make great save after great save until he finally lets in one because it's a 3-on-1, a man was left wide open, 4 players crash the net and the Flyers stand around, or the Flyers decide they like giving the other team PPs. Am I saying Bryzgalov deserves the Vezina? Of course not! I'm just saying that all good goalies (Lundqvist and Price) make the routine saves, andmost of the good saves. Watch the Rangers, and tell me how many easy goals Lundqvist gives up. Really, tell me where he let sup the soft goal where he had a play on it.

Interesting way to determin the Vezina. I had fun with a math system using 4 categories. Wins, GAA, SA%, and SO. The four major goalie stats.
Each win and Shutout is 10 points, GAA is based on 100 points (100-(10*GAA)), and SA% out of 100 points (SAA*100).

Here's the top 15.

1. Antti Niemi 391.0
2. Carey Price 389.0
3. Niklas Backstrom 386.9
4. Evgeni Nabokov 374.2
5. Marc-Andre Fleury 369.0
6. Tuukka Rask 363.2
7. Pekka Rinne 358.3
8. Cory Schneider 351.0
9. Jimmy Howard 347.6
10. Corey Crawford 342.1
11. Henrik Lundqvist 342.1
12. Viktor Fasth 340.1
13. Ray Emery 331.8
14. Sergei Bobrovsky 331.5
15. James Reimer 326.7
- l3ig_l2ecl

Ek?

yup!! I need to play around with it and make GAA and SA% worth more points lol I'm bored....
- l3ig_l2ecl

What you should do is count the best numbers with minimum 20 starts.

The best GAA and SV% are relative to 100%

So Tuukka would get 100% for 1.95 and 99.9% for GAA (% would be based on a 10 point scale) so that 19.9 points for Tuukka.

Hank would get 100% (10 points) for .928
Backstrom would get 100% for 20 wins

The only thing I cant figure out is how to properly make a percentage for GAA because its the only number that when lower is better and when you average percentage relative to Hank and Tuukka, Hank comes out to 106% which is wrong, and its not coming to me how to inverse it.

Would the difference between the 2 be 6% thus giving Hank 94% (9.4 points)?

Yep, just did the math, would be a 6% different thus giving Hank 94%

Interesting way to determin the Vezina. I had fun with a math system using 4 categories. Wins, GAA, SA%, and SO. The four major goalie stats.
Each win and Shutout is 10 points, GAA is based on 100 points (100-(10*GAA)), and SA% out of 100 points (SAA*100).
- l3ig_l2ecl

I'm going to make a list and arbitrarily assign a number (let's say 1,000) to amount of games played, and 500 for each shot attempt faced. Also, 100 points for each point the goalie has. Wow, I can make Ilya Bryzgalov a Vezina winner!

If Anderson plays 28 games (and the King plays 38) and is ahead in save% and GAA, do you not give it to him because he got hurt?
- John Jaeckel

Hard to say, even as a sens fan I'd be skeptical of a goalie winning when he only played 58% of a season, but if he continues allowing less than 2 GAA and over .930 SV%, I think he'll at least get a nomination.

that said, people were talking about Halak and Elliot for it last season and they only played half a season each.

What you should do is count the best numbers with minimum 20 starts.

The best GAA and SV% are relative to 100%

So Tuukka would get 100% for 1.95 and 99.9% for GAA (% would be based on a 10 point scale) so that 19.9 points for Tuukka.

Hank would get 100% (10 points) for .928
Backstrom would get 100% for 20 wins

The only thing I cant figure out is how to properly make a percentage for GAA because its the only number that when lower is better and when you average percentage relative to Hank and Tuukka, Hank comes out to 106% which is wrong, and its not coming to me how to inverse it.

Would the difference between the 2 be 6% thus giving Hank 94% (9.4 points)?

Yep, just did the math, would be a 6% different thus giving Hank 94%
- aecliptic

1/GAA x100

2.40 = 41.6%

2.00 = 50%

GET OFF YOUR A$$ AND REPORT RUMORS, EK.

No one wants to read this stupid "you make the call" crap. All week too...

Bobrovsky's surge makes him Vezina frontrunner
Monday, 04.08.2013 / 9:38 AM
By Dave Lozo - NHL.com Staff Writer

Clearly Bryzgalov has the Vezina locked up. The people who vote for this award will see through the Flyers woes in their own end. The advanced metrics show Bryzgalov with a .994 save % when you exclude odd man rushes, and shots from the slot.

1/GAA x100

2.40 = 41.6%

2.00 = 50%
- Oilhab

I figured it out...

My top 10 come out like this.

 Antti Niemi SAN 28.483
 Tuukka Rask BOS 27.989
 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 27.885
 Carey Price MON 27.781
 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT 27.700
 Niklas Backstrom MIN 27.326
  Cory Schneider VAN 25.902
 Sergei Bobrovsky COB 25.617
 Viktor Fasth ANA 25.602
 Jimmy Howard DET 25.522

This is minimum 20 starts.

I figured it out...

My top 10 come out like this.

 Antti Niemi SAN 28.483
 Tuukka Rask BOS 27.989
 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 27.885
 Carey Price MON 27.781
 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT 27.700
 Niklas Backstrom MIN 27.326
  Cory Schneider VAN 25.902
 Sergei Bobrovsky COB 25.617
 Viktor Fasth ANA 25.602
 Jimmy Howard DET 25.522

This is minimum 20 starts.
- aecliptic

Looks right

I said this yesterday on the Subban for NOrris blog.

Eklund, am I one of your sources?

Looks right
- Oilhab

Cant take shut outs into consideration though, it makes it too lopsided against Hank because he doesnt have one, but we all know haters or not, that hes a top 5 goalie no matter what.

Cant take shut outs into consideration though, it makes it too lopsided against Hank because he doesnt have one, but we all know haters or not, that hes a top 5 goalie no matter what.
- aecliptic

you could make a shutout worth half of a win.

you could make a shutout worth half of a win.
- Oilhab

I wanted to make a SO worth 1 point per SO, but that drops Hank to 15th.
Then I made it .5 point per SO, makes Hank 8th.

If I make SO worth any less it because kind of pointless.

I wanted to make a SO worth 1 point per SO, but that drops Hank to 15th.
Then I made it .5 point per SO, makes Hank 8th.

If I make SO worth any less it because kind of pointless.
- aecliptic

oh well, guess Hank sucks.

If Craig Anderson hadn't got hurt, he would not only win, he'd be the only one on the ballot.

who really cares anyway?